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    Quote Originally Posted by SWATcop1911 View Post
    Iron sights have been killing people since before any of us were born. Nothing wrong with using irons only. One of my rifles is a bone stock, nothing added, carry handle 6920. I use it when I just want to work on irons and refresh my skills.

    A RDS will make you get on target faster, followup shots will be more accurate, and in low-light I feel damn near mandatory in this day in age.

    When it comes to optics buy cheap, buy twice. And to quickly touch on the EO v AP debate, you can get a used M2/M3 for mid $300+$100 or so for a good mount. Beats the shit out of an EO any day.
    Noobie question: What is RDS? (No stupid question unless not asked)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bread is People View Post
    Well, to sum it up, I can't afford to buy a quality optic for my carbine setup. I'd like something in the future, but realistically, it would probably be next summer before I actually commit to one. I was thinking maybe some kind of eotech, but I don't know.

    My question is: If I've got a good set of iron sights, do I really need an optic for me to perform any better?

    I'd like to hear from guys on both sides of the issue, so any input is appreciated.
    Yes. ANYONE, no matter how skilled, (if they're honestly putting maximum effort into both) will shoot a LOT faster for the same accuracy with an RDS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naxet1959 View Post
    Noobie question: What is RDS? (No stupid question unless not asked)
    Red Dot Sight
    Last edited by 5pins; 07-13-09 at 19:57.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naxet1959 View Post
    Noobie question: What is RDS? (No stupid question unless not asked)
    No worries. You don't know unless you ask. Like was stated earlier it is for Red Dot Sight.

    We get in a bad habit of using a lot of acronyms around here and sometims forget that there are people very new to the AR and this site.

    Welcome aboard.
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    I guess one important question to ask that no one brought up yet is how is the rifle going to be used? This should help dictate what kind of optic to get (or if it's even necessary to get one).

    For quick shots, the choices mentioned above are superior.

    If you want to be a cheap ass, avoid Chinese knockoffs. The lowest I would go is the Bushnell Holosight ("Lite" Eotech) made by L3 here in the states, but I don't even know if they're discontinued or not. I have one, but they're not as rugged as the Eotech 5XX series, but for casual shooting/competition, it's sufficient. That said, I wouldn't put that particular optic through hard hard use.

    For a serious/work rifle, get the best options you can. You get what you pay for.
    Last edited by Kilo 1-1; 07-13-09 at 21:22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SWATcop1911 View Post
    No worries. You don't know unless you ask. Like was stated earlier it is for Red Dot Sight.

    We get in a bad habit of using a lot of acronyms around here and sometims forget that there are people very new to the AR and this site.

    Welcome aboard.
    Thanks SWATcop and quietshootr, nice to continue my education... a Texan (Naxet) living in exile in Kansas...

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    Back when I was a teenager my cousin and I would shoot mice in my dads shed( 15'x20') with airguns. It was full of junk and with the single light bulb in the center there was endless shadowy spaces.

    It was fairly fast shooting as when the mouse would stick his head out in the light you only had a split second to shoot. We both were using open sights with equal results.

    I talked my mom into getting me a cheap Bushnell 4X scope. There the results changed. Instead of waiting for the mice to come into the light I could see and shoot into the shadows. We ended up having to take turns so my cousin would get a chance to shoot.

    I imagine it would be the same for a dimly lit house, the only difference is it wouldn't be mice you were worried about.

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    Nevermind.
    Last edited by getchevyn; 07-13-09 at 22:36.

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    Can anyone recommend a good light to go with a DD offset mount? I've been looking at surefire, but there are so many of them to choose from. I'm thinking an LED would be more what I'm looking for as I already have a regular light with a built in rail mount.
    Last edited by Bread is People; 07-13-09 at 23:07.

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    I have an AIMPOINT and like it very well.

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