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    Quote Originally Posted by Bread is People View Post
    Can anyone recommend a good light to go with a DD offset mount? I've been looking at surefire, but there are so many of them to choose from. I'm thinking an LED would be more what I'm looking for as I already have a regular light with a built in rail mount.

    This is what I run in a Vltor mount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoryCop25 View Post
    Optics greatly increase the speed of getting on target(magnification or no magnification). I believe that you should learn your irons first and move up to an optic when you get the extra cash. Spend some time getting to know your rifle and your irons, but I suggest eventually adding an optic.
    I can second this. I attended a carbine course in May and was the only guy running irons. During the drills the other guys were faster on the target and getting shots off before me. When I sped up my pace trying to keep up with the fire my groups opened up as expected. I just relaxed and slowed back down again and the shots came back in where they should have been. That was first hand proof for me that optics help get you on the target quicker. I'll get one sometime down the road for sure but I still want to get good and be good with the irons for the reasons stated already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bread is People View Post
    Can anyone recommend a good light to go with a DD offset mount? I've been looking at surefire, but there are so many of them to choose from. I'm thinking an LED would be more what I'm looking for as I already have a regular light with a built in rail mount.
    I'm running the Surefire 6P LED in Larue mounts on both of my entry rifles as well as my patrol rifle. It is just a little lacking on searching in open fields or huge warehouse-like structures but still sufficient. It is also not so over-powered that you blind yourself why clearing a residence. A good balance.

    Someone might have a better choice for outside lights. I'd be interested in some other options as well, I just don't have the coin lying around to try the different Surefire models.
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    I sincerely wish my eyes still had the capacity to effectively use the irons, but sadly such has not been the case for the past few years now. The front sight is a lollypop that gets fuzzier nearly every time I take the gun to the range.

    So yes, I use a red dot ~95% of the time. I lucked out a couple of years ago though, in finding a used Aimpoint Comp ML2 going for something like ~$180. The only problem with it is that in addition to lack of focus with the irons, I also have astigmatism that creates mulitple images with the red dot. They're all in foucs, but I'm not always sure which is the "real" dot. Sometimes it's two dots that look like a little hourglass or dumbell, or three like a little Micky Mouse head. Once or twice I've seen several looking like a bunch of grapes. They will even change as I watch, from my eye deforming under the stresss. Now as an official 50-Something, I guess it's not surprising having vision problems.

    I'll still get in some practice with those fuzzy irons, as a matter of principle if nothing else, or from just getting annoyed by the multi-dot.

    ETA -- for a light, I have a Surefire G2 on a Viking Tactics mount. Not the most rugged or hi-tech option, but serves my needs and very cost-effective.
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    don't buy a primary arms, the battery life sucks, the battery last 3 weeks tops even turned off, save for a C3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bread is People View Post
    Can anyone recommend a good light to go with a DD offset mount? I've been looking at surefire, but there are so many of them to choose from. I'm thinking an LED would be more what I'm looking for as I already have a regular light with a built in rail mount.
    I like the Surefire G2L. Enough light for my usage while inside, and I prefer the battery life of the LED light.

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    I'd try to find a used Comp M2, I recently bought one for $300...It isn't the latest and greatest, but its still an effective optic

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    Quote Originally Posted by SWATcop1911 View Post
    IMHO the tritium irons for the AR are just a good way of parting money from someone who has to have the best wiz-bang shit on their gun. Are they completely worthless, no, but just damn near.

    Here's a test I have people do that say they "need" the tritium on their rifles. Take them to the range when its low-light/ no-light (you can even do this in your house using dryfire techniques). Have them get at bad breath HD distances to 15 yards. Utilizing a good white light your are able to easily see the outline of your irons in the light as you focus on your front sight and target. Once the target is illuminated you can't even see the tritium anyways, same as on a handgun with a weapon mounted light.

    Then there are people that say "What if I don't want to give away my position with light before I take a shot." I say if you are taking a shot where you have not properly identified your target as a threat by illumination, then you are a ****ing idiot.

    Just my .02

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    I almost sold out and bought an Aimpoint. I had the Wilcox mount and everything....

    That was a close one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    I almost sold out and bought an Aimpoint. I had the Wilcox mount and everything....

    That was a close one!
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