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    Hopefully we'll see you out at the drills!

    Part of why I posted what I did was I got your email about needing to get a lot of gear to come out and shoot with us, and while I think you were kidding I wanted to reinforce that it really isn't necessary. I shoot the matches with my pretty plain (now even plainer) BCM and I run the drills with my 6933 that has an Aimpoint and some Magpul MOE furniture. I even stow magazines in my pockets sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    Hopefully we'll see you out at the drills!

    Part of why I posted what I did was I got your email about needing to get a lot of gear to come out and shoot with us, and while I think you were kidding I wanted to reinforce that it really isn't necessary. I shoot the matches with my pretty plain (now even plainer) BCM and I run the drills with my 6933 that has an Aimpoint and some Magpul MOE furniture. I even stow magazines in my pockets sometimes.
    What I meant with that was about the requirements listed on the website to come out and shoot, chest rig, etc. Wasn't referring to stuff for the rifle.

    All the rifle needs to make it out there is a sling which will be under way shortly.

    Congrats on your lower buddy!
    Last edited by Fire_Medic; 07-17-09 at 09:07.
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    I've posted this and updated it several times. Maybe it will help others here:

    Xxxxxx,


    Comparing the UBR to the CRT is somewhat of an "apples to oranges" comparision.


    Repost of info I had written on another thread:



    What stock you use on what gun really comes down to personal preference and personal preference differs from person to person and is not something that can be easliy explained or decided over the internet.


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    Something I have learned about AR's over the years is, it's a game of matching the right part with the right gun. You may try a stock on a 10.5" SBR and hate it, and then try the same stock on a 16" mid-length carbine and think it's the best stock on the market.

    Here is something I wrote in another thread in reference to my personal preferences on different stocks:


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    There are some accessories that I like across the board on all AR's, there are other accessories that I may like on a 11.5" SBR but not like on a 16" Mid-Length or a 20" rifle.

    Stocks can

    1) help balance out a rifle

    2) or if the stock too big or heavy can dominate the gun

    3) and if it's too small or too light can make the gun feel muzzle heavy


    After trying several different configurations over the year, at the current time I have found that I like Magpul CTR's on SBR's and some 14.5" M4's but I don't like Mapgul CTR's on 16" barreled mid-lengths or 14.5" guns with longer rail systems (9.0 - 13.2). The Magpul CTR is a light weight stock and doesn't balance out a front heavy carbine well.

    SOPMODs (for me) balance perfectly on a 14.5" M4 with a 7.0 rail, but can also balance most SBR's and mid-lengths out fairly well. I'm running a SOPMOD on a LaRue Stealth 12" with 10.0 rail and for me it's a perfect balance.

    Vltor EMods and Magpul UBRs balance out 16" Mid-Lenghts and most 18" gun with rifle length gas tubes quite well.


    As a general rule I run:

    -Magpul CTR's on SBR's (short barreled rifle) and some 14.5" M4's (with carbine length rail system)

    -SOPMODs on 14.5" M4's and some SBR's with longer rails

    -Vltor EMods and Magpul UBR's only on 16" mid-lengths. The EMod also balances well on 14.5" with longer rails (10.0 - 12.0)

    -Magpul UBR's on 14.5" - 16" barrels with longer rail systems (10.0 - 13.2) (example shown below of a UBR on a Noveske with a 14.5" barrel and a 11.0 rail system)

    I also recently had the chance to try a Magpul UBR on a 20" rifle and the UBR balanced out the rifle extreemly well.



    Magpul CTR on a 11.5" Short Barreled Rifle:


    Magpul CTR on 14.5" M4:


    LMT SOPMOD on a 14.5" M4:


    Vltor EMod on a 16" Mid-Length:


    Vltor EMOD on a plain 16" Mid-Length:


    Vltor EMOD on a 14.5" M4 with LaRue 11.0


    Magpul UBR on a 14.5" Noveske N4 barrel with LaRue 11.0 rail:


    Magpul UBR on a 16" Noveske N4 RECCE with LaRue 13.2


    Magpul UBR on 16" Mid-Length:




    I recently put a Magpul CTR on a BCM 16" Mid-Length w/ LaRue 9.0 rail, Surefire x300, and Aimpoint T1 Micro. The gun balances well for *me*. I had tried a Magpul CTR on this gun in the past and it didn't feel right to me. I don't know what changed but tried it again recently and it feels good. Sometimes our personal preferences change over time.

    By changing one item on this gun it can drastically change how the gun feels. Replace the x300 light for a Surefire 961 and the CTR is no longer a good fit for this gun, but a UBR and EMOD will balance the gun out nicely. Change out the T1 for a ACOG TA11 or Leupold MR/T 1.5-5x in LaRue SPR-E, again the CTR is too light on this gun and doesn't feel right, replace the CTR for a UBR and EMOD will balance the gun out nicely.

    Many times you can chage out one accessory (light, optic, stock, etc) and it can drastically change how the gun feels. Sometimes better, sometimes worse.

    The ultimate goal is to select accessories that complement each other so you end up with a well balanced carbine that doesn't feel like a boat anchor.


    Hope this helps


    S/F,
    Jeff

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    Thanks for the info Jeff, greatly appreciated.

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    LMT SOPMOD on my rifle. I found the CTR is a bit too light to balance the weight. My SOPMOD is filled with CR123A batteries as well so its a little heavier than stock. No rattles (except batteries) and tight fit.

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    I have the Vltor Emod on my BCM Middy and like it a lot. Everyone who has picked up my carbine has commented that they really like the stock too.

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    What is the VLTOR stock that is similar to the E-MOD but without the battery compartment? What is that model called?

    Would the VLTOR model without the battery compartment be a good choice on a Middy?? I would appreciate any information on the stock model I have specified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remy View Post
    What is the VLTOR stock that is similar to the E-MOD but without the battery compartment? What is that model called?

    Would the VLTOR model without the battery compartment be a good choice on a Middy?? I would appreciate any information on the stock model I have specified.
    I believe what you are looking for is the VLTOR carbine modstock. It comes in two models... the standard and clubfoot. These stocks come with both the cheek weld adapters and long accessory (battery compartments).

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    My preferred stock is the SOPMOD, but at $150(used)-$200 I can't justify having more than one. Even had to trade one for ammo this year, leaving me with only 1 on my 6920. I was issued a DRMO A1 last year as a patrol rifle and liked the length of the A1 stock a lot more than the A2 stocks I was familiar with.

    The length of the CavArms C1 (A1 stock that looks like an A2) is 9 3/8". The length of my SOPMOD on the first position on a Colt 4-position RE is roughly the same. This is the position that works best for me. Same distance on the LMT Gen II M4 stock I also run.

    I'm putting together a lower for my 3-gun upper which will be wearing a borrowed DMS-1 (heavy) for awhile and have decided to try the C1 stock since I set all of my stocks to approximately the same length as the A1 stock anyway. A fixed stock will hopefully help balance out the rifle as well.

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    The Magpul UBR soooo good it works on everything...



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