About shotguns... honestly.

**thedog** · 07-18-09, 21:01

I know "just racking the slide of a pump 12 will scare them away!" Buckshot, or even birdshot, will "ruin someone's day!". We have all heard them all. And then some, (dumb things you hear in a gunshop" threads etc. , which I love reading, btw!

But honestly, I have about had it with SOME shotgun people. They act like fudds and then they "tacticool" their shotguns and for some reason this seems to make their weapon so much more "deadly".

I respect the shotgun. I like shotguns. I will always own a shotgun. But for the End of the World scenarios? Nope. Hell no!

With all options, the "gauge" is in the mix. With one option, I choose the rifle. AR, AK, M1A1 etc.

Am I a gun racist?

What are your thoughts?

dOg

**Artos** · 07-18-09, 21:45

I really like them & wish more people would consider them for the home if they aren't going to practice with the pistol and combat rifle regularly. To me, they are a little more idiot proof for the novice & folks who have no intention of range time and just want one gun that will never leave the home.

For an all around gun guy who likes them all....I'm happy with whatever is closest. I won't pass a 1911 or 12ga just to grab an ar.

**K.L. Davis** · 07-18-09, 21:59

Originally Posted by Artos

I won't pass a 1911 or 12ga just to grab an ar.

Well said... I am a big fan of the shotgun and believe that the tactical versions are quite well suited for certain tasks -- I can honestly say that there are times when I have picked the shotgun over all the usual suspects, as it was the best choice.

**thedog** · 07-18-09, 22:12

I am with both responses. I guess the "other types" who will never save money or try to get a good battle rifle have just gotten on my nerves. The same old arguments (though true, to some degree, just get.. well. Older. Kind of a cop out from so many people. My sg can do anything your ar can do, hyuk, hyuk!)
Like I said, I will always have a SG. At least one. But... well, you know. I guess I am a rifleman.

dog

**CryingWolf** · 07-19-09, 04:54

Yeah, Almost as bad as the AR guys!

I always pick the weapon for the purpose. Bump in the night, 1911 on the night stand along with a flashlight and a shotgun in the corner. The AR along with my plinking 22s etc are locked in the safe. Why you might ask? Well lets see could be because my neighbors house is only 30 feet from my house. Could be the longest unobstructed shot I could ever take on my property is say 40 yards. Why I would ever shoot someone jumping the fence while standing on the corner of my property I do not know. Sounds like I would have some explaining to do after that one.

The shotgun has proved itself in battle many times, from the trenches in WW1 to the jungles in WW2 to the jungles in Vietnam to the house to house searches in Iraq. I don't think people need to defend the shotgun anymore then people need to defend the AR15 or the 1911.

OK lets give a end of the world scenario a little though; what kind of EOTWAWKI scenario are we talking about? Are we talking a Katrina disaster or LA riots? Or are we talking "Patriots" disaster? Are you fighting or opposing a military unit or just running off gangs from burning your house down? What are you going to do about the police wanting to take your guns in the aftermath of a flood? Are you going to shoot them to keep them? Then what happens after the waters recede?

Maybe, if you have some property like a few acres. You may want to be prepared for a varmint attack? In that case I think I would want an good quality AR15 and a shit load of ammo if the raccoons, coyotes, squirrels, and pdogs ever organize into a group to mount an offensive on my house.

Although, I have not seen every shotgun post out there and I am sure there are the nuts saying, "I will use my shotgun when the end of the world comes", the ones I have read mainly deal with a bump in the night scenario, were as the AR people have a tendency to run the EOTWAWKI scenario. For close quarter a shotgun is a perfectly respectable weapon.

I am all for being prepared and thinking about such things; if we are talking a end of the world "Patriots" then yeah I would like to have my AR and a shit load of ammo with me, but in that end I think it will be a lowly old 22LR and a few bricks of ammo that will help me survive more then any AR could.

Also, so I don't offend any LEOs or Military contractors etc. whos end of the world scenario is LA shoot out or I am going to Iraq and I do not know what is going to happen, then hell yeah, a good quality AR is what you want and need.

P.S. Me and a buddy always talk end of the world shit and what we need to do to be prepared. Passes the time and is fun. Also from a sniper stand point "a 300 win mag from a hunting rifle is going to ruin your day when you are busy trying to snipe back with your AR", from a recent discussion.

**hags** · 07-19-09, 11:42

I'm a big fan of the 12 ga shotgun. I would go so far as to say it's probably the epitome of the multipurpose firearm.

I've never seen anyone get up after being shot with 1 oz of lead. Not true with some other calibers.

With rifle or ghost ring sights I'm good out to ~150 yards with various slugs. You can get alot of lead on target with a good shotgun.

**LanceOregon** · 10-05-09, 04:34

Originally Posted by thedog

Like I said, I will always have a SG. At least one. But... well, you know. I guess I am a rifleman.

dog

But why do you own a shotgun? Do you really need one? What do you use yours for? You don't provide us with any real context to judge where you are coming from regarding shotguns.

If you don't bird hunt or shoot clays, then there is really no pressing need for you to own a shotgun at all.

If a person doesn't bird hunt or shoot clays, then they are definitely not a shotgunner.

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**Alaskapopo** · 10-05-09, 04:52

Originally Posted by LanceOregon

But why do you own a shotgun? Do you really need one? What do you use yours for? You don't provide us with any real context to judge where you are coming from regarding shotguns.

If you don't bird hunt or shoot clays, then there is really no pressing need for you to own a shotgun at all.

If a person doesn't bird hunt or shoot clays, then they are definitely not a shotgunner.

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I use my shotgun for animal calls at work. Its loaded with slugs for bear and moose. So its more of a big bore rifle. I also use shotguns for three gun competition.
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