A combat shotgun is on my list of things to acquire. I think that in a situation where there are a very limited number of threats, at very close range (0-15yds), where absolute precision isn't paramount, an 18in shot gun is king in firepower.
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A combat shotgun is on my list of things to acquire. I think that in a situation where there are a very limited number of threats, at very close range (0-15yds), where absolute precision isn't paramount, an 18in shot gun is king in firepower.
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What Failure2Stop said with the condition being the AR's user regularly practices/trains.
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Another thing is the 'footprint' of carrying more ammo.Originally Posted by Failure2Stop
We have come a long way in gun fighting and technology that emphasize the point you made.
For me, the shotgun is nostalgic as much as reliable. Old School so I apoligize for my bias. You can trust shotguns.
Back then, rifles were mainly used on rooftops. Our SG tactical training uncluded 'bouncing bullets' (if any of you remember those days) and a heck of a lot less concern for Rule 4/ collateral damage than today.
We used them on entries along with pistol caliber sub guns if were were expecting force on force.
I have witnessed the damage caused by the .12ga at several distances and loads including vehicles. I respect the round when used properly.
Now all that said, Ive got 3 a piece. Carbines and 12ga.
I am not diminishing the value of the M4. But I will say I service my M4's more than my shotguns for reliability.
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personally, i love shotguns! especially since, as cryingwolf pointed out, an AR is difficult to use when you might get bullet penetration on your neighbor's house. and nothing says hello like 00 buck.
but am now thinking of getting a pistol caliber carbine, or maybe a high capacity 22LR, like the GSG, or a ruger1022, for my wife to use. she's an ophthalmologist, with the delicate, surgeon's hands that go with that profession. she hates the bruising her hands get from the shotgun.
i am also thinking of getting an AR soon, but for the use on our farm. at least there, got over 800 yards between me and my nearest neighbor. then, there's the fact that there are communist terrorists i have to worry about.
Uhmm, don't get me wrong. i live in the Philippines, and we do have to worry about such a thing as a 40 year old insurgency in some of the provinces. there are communists, muslim separatists in the far south, and even the Al Qaeda aligned Abu Sayyaf. at the ranges mentioned, AR rules, but for the city, where all i have to worry is the run of the mill criminal, shotguns rule.
Last edited by MiggyE; 07-24-09 at 23:55.
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Although I wouldn't grab my Anschutz 1411 to investigate a bump in the night, I don't consider myself as having a "toolbox", I'm a recreational shooter. I think most gunowners are as well.
Most real world engagements take place inside of 75 yards. That is well within the range of a shotgun with at least a bead sight, provided the shooter is proficient with it.
As a mulitpurpose/multifacetted weapon I think you'd be hard pressed to beat a modern 12 ga shotgun.
As for ammo "footprint", I'm not in a combat zone. Again, most real world gunfights are over in a few seconds. I'm not looking to pack a couple of ammo cans worth of ammo.
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i agree hags. there's a place for each type of firearm, and shotguns will always have a place.
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I won't bore you with my "Pete Show" stories but lets just say;
it is 2am
I am in my boxers
and flip flops
holding my shotgun
fumbling with my flashlight
tripping over the lawn mower
Stubbing my toe
in my garage
wondering why I am chasing a "burglar"
which somehow turned into a cat,
when my wife woke me up
from a perfectly good dream
in a nice cozy bed
because she heard a "noise"
This is me in my combat gear yelling at the bad guys come get some.
it's 2:15am
I put my shotgun in the corner
set my flashlight on the night stand
sit on the bed and rub my foot
wife asks "you left the garage open again huh?"
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Im a rifleman but If I could only have 1 longarm Im pretty sure itd be a shotgun
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I would consider a shotgun viable for home defense if I didnt have to comply with a 18.5" barrel law. Cut that in half then we can discuss a shotgun for home defense.
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