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Thread: Rejection Rates for tested tier 1 AR15 parts

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    I guess I just don't understand the fuss... Instead of playing a crap shoot with lower teir parts and trying to justify it with statistics, why not just buy quality, tested parts? Personally my life and the lives of my family aren't worth the gamble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainDooley View Post
    I guess I just don't understand the fuss... Instead of playing a crap shoot with lower teir parts and trying to justify it with statistics, why not just buy quality, tested parts? Personally my life and the lives of my family aren't worth the gamble.
    Nobody is trying to justify anything. I'm trying to get some empirical evidence rather than the vague concept of "tested" vs "batch-tested" vs not tested.

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    I never said it was a "what gun should I buy" discussion. I said it's rather silly JUST LIKE those threads. That old saying "the proof is in the pudding" applies here.

    Quote Originally Posted by tylerw02 View Post
    This isn't a "what gun should I buy" rather a "to what degree should I avoid"...I'm looking for concrete data.



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    Quote Originally Posted by tylerw02 View Post
    I believe it would advantageous for M4C members to know the actual rejection rate of tested parts to be able to suggest the likelihood that non-tested parts don't meet spec and are prone to failure.
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    I suppose I won't find good organized empirical evidence to suggest brand X over brand Y.
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    Not trying to be a pain here, just trying to gain a better understanding.
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    I didn't start this thread to convince people to use inferior parts or to allow apologies for lower tier AR15s; rather to expose what corners being cut will cost the user more reliability and function.
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    No, nobody is "butt-hurt" as you put it. I'm looking for answers and it appears not getting too many.
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    This is not a flame or a "just as good as" thread, rather wanting to put some real empirical data with the concept of shot-peen, MPI, and HPT. It appears that isn't going to happen.
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    This isn't a "what gun should I buy" rather a "to what degree should I avoid"...I'm looking for concrete data.
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    Nobody is trying to justify anything. I'm trying to get some empirical evidence rather than the vague concept of "tested" vs "batch-tested" vs not tested.
    tylerw02,

    You've gotten some good information from some industry professionals. As we can all see from the trend in your above statements, none of this information is apparently good enough for you. I suggest contacting all of the major AR-15 manufacturers and asking them for the numbers (no doubt guarded information) which you seek.

    Sticking with your same argument ("not good enough, not good enough, not good enough... etc.") is going to be viewed as trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I never said it was a "what gun should I buy" discussion. I said it's rather silly JUST LIKE those threads. That old saying "the proof is in the pudding" applies here.
    That's what I'm looking for---some proof. Most AR failures I've personally seen (and even read about) can be attributed mostly to magazines, lubrication, inferior/wrong extractors, the wrong buffer, and poor staking. I'd like to find a source with some hard data on parts. It appears that isn't going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tylerw02 View Post
    That's what I'm looking for---some proof. Most AR failures I've personally seen (and even read about) can be attributed mostly to magazines, lubrication, inferior/wrong extractors, the wrong buffer, and poor staking. I'd like to find a source with some hard data on parts. It appears that isn't going to happen.
    What do you expect us to say? No one in this industry is going to give you their scrap rate.

    Secondly if that all you see fail, you need to do more shooting
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