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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    So are Colt, LMT and our LPK's superior to DPMS, RRA, CMT, etc? Yes, they are for many different reasons.
    I would think that a confident supplier of quality wares and a customer looking for such wares would be able to find a mutually satisfactory way of exchanging goods for money. It's dissatisfying to have you tell me your parts are better but you won't take my money and send them to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Bryant View Post
    I would think that a confident supplier of quality wares and a customer looking for such wares would be able to find a mutually satisfactory way of exchanging goods for money. It's dissatisfying to have you tell me your parts are better but you won't take my money and send them to me.
    In a perfect world, I would have hundreds of these LPK's available. I do not and barely have enough to cover the stripped lowers I have in stock.


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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    In a perfect world, I would have hundreds of these LPK's available. I do not and barely have enough to cover the stripped lowers I have in stock.


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    It certainly is an imperfect world . . . all those unemployed folks out there, lots of good machinists no doubt among them, and all this demand for a product that can't be machined fast enough.

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    What I can't understand is how only Colt and LMT can produce good LPK's. you would think a CNC machine could spit them out no problem .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vendetta View Post
    Hands down, I would get them from Grant at G&R Tactical here. Looks like he is out of stock right now, but he's a regular on this board, shoot him a message - C4IGrant.

    That is a very nice LPK that G and R has.

    I know that G. & R. , Colt and LMT are the top tier.

    I would love to see a ranking of the other brands. If Grant or someone else wants to take a whack at that. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmecapn View Post
    Practical advice?!?! The responses made him think if he didn't purchase a Colt, LMT, or G&R LPK then his lower would be caca! I've been around this site since when it actually belonged to G&R Tactical and the one thing I've never seen is emprical data to support that a CMT or RRA LPK has a higher failure rate of parts than does Colt or LMT. If it exists, it would be great to see it. Maybe Pat Rogers has a log of such things. While the manufacturing criteria for the Colt, LMT, and G&R kits may be stricter, that doesn't constitute real world examples of failure rates in actual use. That is practical information that an individual needs when making an informed decision.
    He asked for an opinion, I gave it. I didn't say that if you didn't get Grant's kit full of LMT, Colt, Magpul etc products that his rifle would work. It was a simple suggestion, I said nothing about it had to be this certain company.
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    I am not nearly as experienced as some on this forum (understatement of the year) but in the last ten years I have assembled about 30 rifles between myself and my friends- As far as available LPKs go I have had no bad experiences with Stag (4 builds) and RRA LPKs (5 Builds), and for the most part J&T/Doublestar LPKs (10 builds).
    I have had issues with Model 1 Sales and DPMS LPKs- thoses issues included missing parts, broken hammer pin(@1k rd mark), and incorrect length detent springs.
    Had this site been around when I was starting to build rifles my build count wouldn't be nearly that high (relatively speaking). Most of my friends wanted an AR for no other reason than just to have one and most of those rifles are lucky to see 100 rds of .223 Rem. a year, so a 600.00 kit gun was more than satisfactory for their uses.
    Fast forward to the builds I've done in the last year- and the average price is now well above 1k per rifle because I checked my tier 3 is just as good as tier 1 attitude at the door and learned something here. Now I find myself taking my MOACKS and my BCM extractor upgrade kits around to all of those rifles that have come before and making them more correct than they were.
    Bottom line- I wish I could give you a buy this and it will be 100% good to go answer but I can't, however without getting ahold of one of Grant's Kits your safest bet is a Stag or RRA LPK.

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    This thread has nicely added to my frustrations.

    A G&R LPK would solve all my problems, but it's like saying a pet unicorn would solve a lot of my problems.

    I'm in the same boat as you, Bill.

    Prior to arriving to M4C, I had erroneously assumed that the only difference between AR-15s was whether or not they had chrome-lined barrels. That was the only indicator of quality that I looked for, not knowing better. Thusly, I bought a BM Modular Carbine, because, a fluted, chrome-lined barrel was the cat's ass.

    My second AR-15 was a S&W M&P-15, which moved me closer to the TDP, other than the ROT. It was counter-intuitive for me to make that purchase, as I'd initially looked at the S&W, but bought the Bushmaster, because I'd had a horrible experience with S&W.

    (anyone remember the Sigma?)

    Before exploring this site, I would have never considered the S&W, which was available when I bought the Bushmaster.

    The S&W was bought, knowing what I've learned here.

    In my local area, trying to obtain a new Colt is akin to winning the lottery. DPMS/Stag/Olympic/RRA are a dime-a-dozen. I don't like the Sig 556.

    After having been a member here for a while, I swore my next blaster would meet or beat the TDP. Rather than trying to hunt down a complete build, that may or may not be my ideal weapon configuration, I opted to do a custom build.

    I started out with a POF Gen III lower. The dealer I bought it from carries several different LPKs, but all from makers I wouldn't buy a gun from BEFORE I came to M4C, and I sure ain't going to buy their stuff after having been around here for a minute.

    So, my quest moved on-line. G&R seems to offer the only LPK worth a damn out there. But, that's like saying Kate Hudson is single now, so here's my shot. I digress, since my goal here is to assemble a build of top-quality, since I believe that going out, and seeking a fully assembled weapon of the calibre I'm looking for, is almost futile, I'm trying to hand-pick the features, and skimp on none.

    Since, as I see it, the LPK has the most assorted variety of moving/delicate parts, that is definitely one area I don't want to skimp on. The frustrating fact being that the only LPK I'd keep the stock trigger from would most likely be the Colt. Trying to find a Colt LPK is almost as impossible as getting one from G&R, I'm sitting here beating my head against a stump.

    I'm waiting on the LPK until I can see something that is going to change my perspective, and help steer me in the right direction; Grant gets some in stock, or I can obtain a Colt kit. In the meantime, I'll continue acquiring other parts for the build, while I wait it out.

    On a side note, does anyone know what Vltor's receiver extension is made of?

    Does anyone know who offers a Mil-Spec Receiver Extension, made of 7075-T6
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLandlord View Post
    I'm waiting on the LPK until I can see something that is going to change my perspective, and help steer me in the right direction; Grant gets some in stock, or I can obtain a Colt kit. In the meantime, I'll continue acquiring other parts for the build, while I wait it out.
    SAW is listing a Colt LPK. Have you tried them?
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    I'll e-mail them, and verify the status.

    I'm still waiting on P-Mags from November...

    I have a certain weariness of online ordering due to items being "in stock" but, SURPRISE! SURPRISE!

    They're really not...


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