KISS rifle Mandatory Upgrades/Mods

[NCPatrolAR]

don't need to at close range. give me a decent/medium strength light and i could kill you out to say 50 yards with iron sights all night long. longer ranges, say over 50 yards you will need a high power light anyway just to illuminate your target enough to make a good shot. optic or not. many wars have been fought (successfully) at night without lights or optics attached to weapons. the focus is the KISS concept. start adding all the crap everyone else has on their high speed killing sticks and it's no longer a KISS rifle.

But were those battles fought in an effecient manner?

[John_Wayne777]

don't need to at close range. give me a decent/medium strength light and i could kill you out to say 50 yards with iron sights all night long. longer ranges, say over 50 yards you will need a high power light anyway just to illuminate your target enough to make a good shot. optic or not. many wars have been fought (successfully) at night without lights or optics attached to weapons. the focus is the KISS concept. start adding all the crap everyone else has on their high speed killing sticks and it's no longer a KISS rifle.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but many wars have been won with flintlocks and bayonets.

...or pikes and horse cavalry.

...or bows and rocks.

Again, it's one thing if you're shooting with the light from your rifle fully illuminating a stationary target. It's quite another when you're trying to stop a threat who is shooting back and moving without turning your "shoot me" beam on to give him a good read on where you are, or where there's enough light to identify a threat but not enough to see your sights. (Lighting, after all, is not static anywhere...)

Under the best circumstances irons can certainly be extremely effective...but the red dot gives you more capability in more environments and in more situations than the irons do...hence their prevalence on combat arms today. Whether you're a PFC in Iraq clearing a building full of Sunni insurgents, a Tier 1 assaulter going into a building to rescue hostages, a law enforcement officer dealing with an active shooter, or an ordinary joe defending his family from some assclown who wants to hurt them, when the moment comes to kinetically pacify a miscreant it all boils down to the same thing:

Getting an acceptable sight reference and pulling the trigger. The red dot makes this process easier...worlds easier...under a greater variety of circumstances than anything else currently available. This means more hits on target...or in the worst case scenario, more bullets in bad people who need to die.

[Alaskapopo]

If there isn't enough light for you to see your sights then what exactly are you shooting at?



If you have an adequate white light you won't need the tritium front sight.

There are lots of situations where you will be able to see your target where standard sights will not be visible or will not be fast to pick up. Such as when the target is back light and you are in a dark area. Weapon lights are great but you should only use then to ID your target. If you know where your target is using a light will only give away your position. Also tritium sights and red dots are a lot faster to pick up. There may be situations where you can still see your sights but due to the low light they are very slow to use vs an optic or tritium that stands out against the target area.
Pat

[Icculus]

Not to put too fine a point on it, but many wars have been won with flintlocks and bayonets.

...or pikes and horse cavalry.

...or bows and rocks.

Again, it's one thing if you're shooting with the light from your rifle fully illuminating a stationary target. It's quite another when you're trying to stop a threat who is shooting back and moving without turning your "shoot me" beam on to give him a good read on where you are, or where there's enough light to identify a threat but not enough to see your sights. (Lighting, after all, is not static anywhere...)

Under the best circumstances irons can certainly be extremely effective...but the red dot gives you more capability in more environments and in more situations than the irons do...hence their prevalence on combat arms today. Whether you're a PFC in Iraq clearing a building full of Sunni insurgents, a Tier 1 assaulter going into a building to rescue hostages, a law enforcement officer dealing with an active shooter, or an ordinary joe defending his family from some assclown who wants to hurt them, when the moment comes to kinetically pacify a miscreant it all boils down to the same thing:

Getting an acceptable sight reference and pulling the trigger. The red dot makes this process easier...worlds easier...under a greater variety of circumstances than anything else currently available. This means more hits on target...or in the worst case scenario, more bullets in bad people who need to die.

Very well said. And complete with my new favorite phrase "kinetically pacify a miscreant". That's just awesome.

[John_Wayne777]

Very well said. And complete with my new favorite phrase "kinetically pacify a miscreant". That's just awesome.

I saw at least the "kinetically pacify" part on LF at some time in the past, so I won't claim credit for it.

[Rider79]

Wow, now I see why Katar hates this subject. I just want to know who makes this light mount, then I can unsubscribe from this thread.

[LOKNLOD]

Wow, now I see why Katar hates this subject. I just want to know who makes this light mount, then I can unsubscribe from this thread.

That looks like a Vltor light mount mounted on a Vltor flip-up front sight base. The top of the FSB has a rail, and it looks like he's got it flipped up and is using it as a fixed base with the light mounted on the rail behind the front post.

This front site tower with the "off-set Scout mount" (second item on page).

Note the mount is available with an ADM lever now, too.

[militarymoron]

Wow, now I see why Katar hates this subject. I just want to know who makes this light mount, then I can unsubscribe from this thread.

looks like a vltor offset mount attached to the rail on top a vltor VST front sight/gas block with the front sight flipped up.

[87GN]

looks like a vltor offset mount attached to the rail on top a vltor VST front sight/gas block with the front sight flipped up.

Yes

[Rider79]

I like that setup alot, not dropping $225 to do it though. That would not be KISS!