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    Quote Originally Posted by BillCutting View Post
    I would rather have 3 KISS rifles, than one mall ninjaed out one. Just makes sense logically.

    Not really because you can only shoot one at a time. I would rather have 1 well set up rifle vs several KISS rifles.
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    Right I can only shoot one at a time, but in an emergency situation with others with me that can shoot and know there way around a rifle, it would be good to be able to arm them if needed. Not to mention having at least one backup if first rifle fails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillCutting View Post
    I would rather have 3 KISS rifles, than one mall ninjaed out one. Just makes sense logically.
    It depend what your saying.

    What do you mean by "mall ninja"?

    If you're saying you'd rather have 3 mediocre brand (Bushmaster, DPMS, Oly, etc.) stripped rifles with A2 carry handle sights...then no.

    If you mean you would rather have 3 LMTs with Aimpoints, Surefires, and slings as opposed to one SR-15 E3 IWS with a Shortdot, PEQ-15, multiple Surefires, etc. than I guess I can see what you're saying...

    ETA: good points made here later in the thread, I agree that 2 "KISS" LMTs would be better than one decked out KAC...

    I would rather have one well set-up rifle that I am comfortable with before buying or "building" anything else.

    This is KISS to me:



    ETA: I suppose if I had to get rid of anything on my rifle the LaRue rail, VFG, and SOPMOD stock I could do without.
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    Quote Originally Posted by decodeddiesel View Post
    It depend what your saying.

    If you mean you would rather have 3 LMTs with Aimpoints, Surefires, and slings as opposed to one SR-15 E3 IWS with a Shortdot, PEQ-15, multiple Surefires, etc. than I guess I can see what you're saying...but I don't really agree with it.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmcmanus View Post
    Is this because the carrier doesn't take as much stress, and therefore fails less (an assumption on my part)? Or is it for another reason?
    This is pretty much it.

    When I was a unit armorer I was responsible for about 140 Colt M4s being put through an extremely aggressive pre-deployment firing schedule. I never once saw a BCG fail. I did however see numerous bolt failures including bolts crack, lugs shear off, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaskapopo View Post
    A total Kiss rifle would have a white light and a front night sight. Optics to make you a much better shooter and once you can afford one get one. But you can be effective without them in most typical short range self defense situations. I did a test on speed and accuracy of various optics vs irons and at ranges less than 25 yards the difference is nill. Most leo patrol rifle shooters occur at less than 25 yards. So basically a KISS rifle does not need to have an optic. They are nice and will help you shoot better exponentially as range increases. But like I said before you can do ok without them at the ranges you are mostly likely to need them in real life.
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    I would agree with this until your engagement occurs at night or in adverse lighting conditions.

    Mind you though during my first sandbox trip my M68 was damaged and for 2 months while waiting for a replacement I ran just irons with a Surefire on my M4.

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    Hey, this is a KISS MY ASS rifle!



    In reality a simple LMT SBR with RDS and a white light....

    How much more simple could you get?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cameron View Post
    Hey, this is a KISS MY ASS rifle!



    In reality a simple LMT SBR with RDS and a white light....

    How much more simple could you get?

    Cameron
    Nice setup!

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    My Kiss rifle. Just needs a light.


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    Quote Originally Posted by decodeddiesel View Post
    I would agree with this until your engagement occurs at night or in adverse lighting conditions.

    Mind you though during my first sandbox trip my M68 was damaged and for 2 months while waiting for a replacement I ran just irons with a Surefire on my M4.
    Hence my recommendation for a front night sight (tritium.) Not as good as an optic but good for low light engagements out to 25 yards. I love optics and would not have a patrol rifle without one. I am just saying that if your buget does not allow you can have an effective rifle with irons (night sight) and a white light. Of course you being in the military places much more of a need on the ability to shoot past CQB ranges. I am talking more for LEO's and regular folks defending their house from a burglar.


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