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    Kennith,

    Here is what Gutshot was referring to. As posted by you;

    It really would be bad form on my part to go into too much detail in that respect. I'd be willing to discuss some of my experience, and give the basis of my opinions, but they won't be welcomed by everyone in the thread. It will prolong the argument, and I get the impression that this would not be allowed.

    Feel free to "out" yourself or share with us your background. I am not sure where you got your impression from, but feel free to discuss. However, the holier than thou stuff can stay parked at the curb.



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    Notice I said that he didn't follow the proper cleaning steps. That would have meant disassembly.

    Also, using pipe cleaners or Q-tips for cleaning is essentially worthless except to satisfy those who have a "white glove" cleaning fetish.

    Give me a rational example of using a Q-tip to clean something on an AR that does any real good. I sure can't think of one.

    Quote Originally Posted by kennith13 View Post
    That really ought to be qualified by saying that you are meant to make sure you aren't leaving that lint and other junk all in your bolt. If you clean your weapon improperly, or don't make sure to clean up after cleaning on occasion, you are going to have those kinds of problems.

    It's the same way with Q-Tips. There are plenty of people who let them spread cotton string, puffs and other nonsense all inside the action. That's not what you are supposed to do with them.

    Likewise, you aren't supposed to carelessly rake cleaning rods all over your bore.

    If you do all these things, it isn't the cleaning that messed up the weapon, it was improper cleaning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Kennith,

    Here is what Gutshot was referring to. As posted by you;

    It really would be bad form on my part to go into too much detail in that respect. I'd be willing to discuss some of my experience, and give the basis of my opinions, but they won't be welcomed by everyone in the thread. It will prolong the argument, and I get the impression that this would not be allowed.

    Feel free to "out" yourself or share with us your background. I am not sure where you got your impression from, but feel free to discuss. However, the holier than thou stuff can stay parked at the curb.
    I was agreeing with you, man, just adding a bit so people didn't come on about pipe cleaners being bad for firearms, that's all.

    The only holier than thou behavior around here is coming from the other side, not me. Facts are facts. There is nothing holy about a fact. That is what separates fact and belief. What people believe is ok may be one thing, but the facts of the matter are different. You seem to have an understanding of how this works, I see that, but I wasn't behaving badly when the other mod stepped in.

    So, I see that in order to bring up a point around here, and make a statement, I'll be required to prove myself. Is that the case? What would posting my background here accomplish?

    I have fired tens of thousands of rounds out of AR pattern weapons. I have lived with them and relied upon them, as well as other firearms. I was in the military, though that much will have been suspected. That ought to be enough. That ought to qualify me to discuss the subject at hand, and it ought to qualify me to say one thing is right and one thing is not.

    Do I need all this just to tell someone they ought to clean their weapon? Do I really need to delve into all my qualifications? Is this subject really that hard to comprehend?

    You let me know if the experience I have listed here is enough to warrant a place in this discussion. If it is not, oh well. I'm not opening my life like a book for everyone on the net to read, just so a couple of naysayers can get their rocks off.

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    Seriously I think you are missing the point. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I could also give two steaming turds about how someone does or doesn't clean their weapon.

    However, your statement made it sound as if you had some special superpowers concerning the AR that we don't know about. I also don't know why you would think that anyone would suspect your military service. On a side note (nothing to do with you personally) putting thousands of rounds though an AR has no real bearing on the subject at hand.

    Quote Originally Posted by kennith13 View Post
    I was agreeing with you, man, just adding a bit so people didn't come on about pipe cleaners being bad for firearms, that's all.

    The only holier than thou behavior around here is coming from the other side, not me. Facts are facts. There is nothing holy about a fact. That is what separates fact and belief. What people believe is ok may be one thing, but the facts of the matter are different. You seem to have an understanding of how this works, I see that, but I wasn't behaving badly when the other mod stepped in.

    So, I see that in order to bring up a point around here, and make a statement, I'll be required to prove myself. Is that the case? What would posting my background here accomplish?

    I have fired tens of thousands of rounds out of AR pattern weapons. I have lived with them and relied upon them, as well as other firearms. I was in the military, though that much will have been suspected. That ought to be enough. That ought to qualify me to discuss the subject at hand, and it ought to qualify me to say one thing is right and one thing is not.

    Do I need all this just to tell someone they ought to clean their weapon? Do I really need to delve into all my qualifications? Is this subject really that hard to comprehend?

    You let me know if the experience I have listed here is enough to warrant a place in this discussion. If it is not, oh well. I'm not opening my life like a book for everyone on the net to read, just so a couple of naysayers can get their rocks off.



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    Quote Originally Posted by kennith13 View Post
    The only holier than thou behavior around here is coming from the other side, not me. Facts are facts. There is nothing holy about a fact. That is what separates fact and belief. What people believe is ok may be one thing, but the facts of the matter are different.
    An AR does not get finicky without being exceptionally clean, that is fact. You believe that it may do better starting clean, fine. But that as MarkM said in the other thread, that has been tested to death over the years, with remarkably boring results.

    Quote Originally Posted by kennith13 View Post
    So, I see that in order to bring up a point around here, and make a statement, I'll be required to prove myself. Is that the case? What would posting my background here accomplish?
    I sure as hell hope so. What would keep the idiots from spreading half truths and lies about anything and everything on the internet if sites like this didn't uphold some manner of accountability for what is said?


    Quote Originally Posted by kennith13 View Post
    I have fired tens of thousands of rounds out of AR pattern weapons. I have lived with them and relied upon them, as well as other firearms. I was in the military, though that much will have been suspected. That ought to be enough. That ought to qualify me to discuss the subject at hand, and it ought to qualify me to say one thing is right and one thing is not.
    I can count at least three or four other individuals in this thread who also served in the military. At least one of them is still employed overseas.

    Military service is a qualification for sure. But when they say something different from what you're saying, what in your service makes you more qualified to say what is right and what is wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Seriously I think you are missing the point. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I could also give two steaming turds about how someone does or doesn't clean their weapon.

    However, your statement made it sound as if you had some special superpowers concerning the AR that we don't know about. I also don't know why you would think that anyone would suspect your military service. On a side note (nothing to do with you personally) putting thousands of rounds though an AR has no real bearing on the subject at hand.
    Nope, no superpowers. It is obvious from some of my posts that I was alluding to military training and maintenance procedures in some respects. Likewise, I did state that Uncle Sam trained me. I don't have an uncle named Sam. If it wasn't suspected, it should have been. Using the word "weapon" in reference to an AR is normally a dead giveaway. I've been trying to get used to "gun" for a long time, but it just hasn't stuck. I was trying to let it be known to those who know without actually having to say it. I am not keen on mentioning my past or my present to just anyone, ninja moves or not.

    Everyone may be entitled to an opinion, but much like journalists, people who post on the net should do their best to police the information. And also like journalists, they rarely do that. I believe that when someone sees something wrong, they should try their best to fix it. New firearm owners flock to these places for advice. It would be a shame to mislead them based on popular opinion alone.

    In an hour on the internet, a person looking for a new firearm will learn all manner of incorrect information. The liberals are bad enough, but must we as well mislead them, or allow them to be mislead? So, yes, I'll shove my information where it isn't wanted sometimes. Places like this tend to be full of people who have accepted something, and commonly it takes a bit of rough handling to get a new idea across to the masses.

    Being in the military is far from qualification for much, but it does provide one with long term, in the dirt experience with a weapon system, provided their MOS allowed it. My life didn't stop when I left the military, but that is where the story as it will be told on the internet ends. Being in the military is enough for my points to be valid. Or, being in the military formerly, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thopkins22 View Post
    An AR does not get finicky without being exceptionally clean, that is fact. You believe that it may do better starting clean, fine. But that as MarkM said in the other thread, that has been tested to death over the years, with remarkably boring results.

    I have seen mention of those tests. That methodology doesn't hold up when things get hot and nasty. Every ounce of clean helps.


    I sure as hell hope so. What would keep the idiots from spreading half truths and lies about anything and everything on the internet if sites like this didn't uphold some manner of accountability for what is said?

    Competition?



    I can count at least three or four other individuals in this thread who also served in the military. At least one of them is still employed overseas.

    Military service is a qualification for sure. But when they say something different from what you're saying, what in your service makes you more qualified to say what is right and what is wrong?
    The fact that I am right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kennith13 View Post
    The fact that I am right.
    Without a smidgen of hard proof, consensus amongst professionals, or even any anecdotal evidence supporting your position.

    Quote Originally Posted by kennith13 View Post
    Everyone may be entitled to an opinion, but much like journalists, people who post on the net should do their best to police the information.
    What do you think people are responding to you for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thopkins22 View Post
    Without a smidgen of hard proof, consensus amongst professionals, or even any anecdotal evidence supporting your position.

    Anecdotal evidence isn't worth all that much on the net. Do you want me to illustrate every malfunction I've ever seen in order to prove to you that it is a bad idea to let carbon build up on the inside of your firearm, that you should keep the system clean? C'mon, man, you know I shouldn't have to do that. I'm not telling you the sky is green, I'm telling you that firearms should be kept clean.

    What do you think people are responding to you for?
    They are responding because I have said something that assaults their understood truth.

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    Seriously, give it a rest already. From reading your posts you make it sound as if your weapon will fail if it isn't "white glove" clean. That's just pure crap. A basic cleaning combined with proper lubrication is more than enough to ensure that your weapon will continue to work. Assuming that you don't have a POS AR with other issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by kennith13 View Post
    They are responding because I have said something that assaults their understood truth.
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