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    Quote Originally Posted by ABNAK View Post
    You don't think that running a pipe cleaner through the carrier key and down into the inside of the carrier is helpful in ensuring the patentcy of the gas travel?
    Nope. Blast it with non-chlorinated brake cleaner every 2k-3k rds and forget about the white glove BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishluck73 View Post
    Patency, no extra t needed. Also, I would think you mean "ensuring the patency of the carrier?".

    Although, I've never heard the word patency used outside of the medical field and typically it's referring to blood vessels, airways, etc.
    Hey gimme a break, I work in the medical field.

    Patent is a legit term as far as the maintaining of a lumen (opening).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlelebowski View Post
    Nope. Blast it with non-chlorinated brake cleaner every 2k-3k rds and forget about the white glove BS.
    I wasn't referring to a "white glove" inspection, I was referring to the physical act of pushing something through the opening to make sure it's clear. The pipe cleaner happens to be the easiest thing to form and slide through, that's all.
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    Fair enough. When I was a grunt Sgt, my SSgt Force Recon roomate would poke fun at us grunts and our pipe cleaners. I spray my gun out thoroughly with brakecleaner at least every 4K rds or so. I do punch the bore every 500-1K rds or so to prevent copper buildup and reaction to the humid VA climate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlelebowski View Post
    Fair enough. When I was a grunt Sgt, my SSgt Force Recon roomate would poke fun at us grunts and our pipe cleaners. I spray my gun out thoroughly with brakecleaner at least every 4K rds or so. I do punch the bore every 500-1K rds or so to prevent copper buildup and reaction to the humid VA climate.

    I strongly suspect you would receive 20 jarhead lashes for that cleaning regimen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishluck73 View Post
    You mean you do it differently?!?! Subscribed to read Kennith's ninja credentials when he posts them.
    You know what?

    I thought personal attacks weren't allowed around here. Or is that rule just for the new members?

    That backhanded, halfway hidden crap insult won't fly past me.

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    Here are my thoughts.

    As I stated before if you are doing a firing pin protrusion check I can see where excess build up in the bolt carrier and on the bolt tail could prevent you from getting a correct reading.

    The same would also be true of a barrel straightness test (which can be thrown off by a dirty bore). IMHO in order to conduct a proper inspection and gaging the weapon must be clean, to a point.

    Now as for "damaged" weapons from overcleaning. The only way I see this is if you are a complete moron. If you don't follow simple guidelines of course you can damage it just like anything else. If you use a wire brush on the gas rings, you could potentially damaged them or pull one loose.

    If you clean your extractor spring and insert with Powermaster 5000 and it eats away the rubber insert then guess what?

    What I find somewhat amusing is the comment by Pat Rogers about "over-cleaning" is that many a military person has had to detail clean their weapons before and most of the issues that I have seen were caused by deviating from normal practices or trying to take apart shit they had no business touching.

    I had a situation here earlier this year with a TCN who was issued a BM carbine. I was checking his weapon out for something minor. My standard practice is to check over the whole weapon because odds are I may find something else going on. Sure enough when I popped the extractor assy off I saw a truck load of lint and fiber inside the area and the firing pin channel. It seems that he had been sticking pipe cleaners in there, but never disassembled the bolt because no one told him to.

    Many people would be served by getting a basic operators manual and following the procedures in there. Then as they get to know their weapon better and become more knowledgeable they can figure out what really works and is needed and what doesn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gutshot John View Post
    Wow this thread has descended into the absurd.

    Can we get an actual armorer to comment?
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    Yes, I do stick a pipe cleaner into the bolt carrier key just to check for obstructions. Especially after finding a primer inside the key.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutshot John View Post
    Ahh suffer the martyr.

    Had you expressed it as opinion you would have been fine. In fact many others expressed similar opinions but they don't seem to have been "martyred" during posting. Of course they were a bit more circumspect and thoughtful in their responses.

    Calling people lazy who don't subscribe to your cleaning ritual is not "harmlessly express[ing your] opinion. In fact it's denigrating the opinions of others.

    Just a thought, check your dictionary for "irony" it's not really applicable here.
    Actually, it is a perfect use of the word irony. Why don't you tell me the definition you use for the word?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Here's my thoughts.

    As I stated before if you are doing a firing pin protrusion check I can see where excess build up in the bolt carrier and on the bolt tail could prevent you from getting a crrect reading.

    The same would also be true of a barrel straightness test (which can be thrown off by a dirty bore). IMHO in order to conduct a proper inspection and gaging the weapon must be clean, to a point.

    Now as for "damaged" weapons from overcleaning. The only way I see this is if you are a complete moron. If you don't follow simple guidelines of course you can damage it just like anything else. If you use a wire brush on the gas rings, you could potentially damaged them or pull one loose.

    If you clean your extractor spring and insert with Powermaster 5000 and it eats away the rubber insert then guess what?

    What I find somewhat amusing is the comment by Pat Rogers about "overcleaning" is that many a military person has had to detail clean their weapons before and most of the issues that I have seen were caused by deviating from normal practices or trying to take apart shit they had no business touching.

    I had a situation here earlier this year with a TCN who was issued a BM carbine. I was checking his weapon out for something minor. My standard practice is to check over the whole weapon because odds are I may find something else going one. Sure enough when I popped the extractor assy off I saw a truck load of lint and fiber inside the area and the firing pin channel. It seems that he had been sticking pipe cleaners in there, but never disassembled the bolt because no one told him to.

    Many people would be served by getting a basic operators manual and follwing the procedures in there. Then as they get to know their weapon better and become more knowledgable they can figure out what really works and is needed and what doesn't.
    That really ought to be qualified by saying that you are meant to make sure you aren't leaving that lint and other junk all in your bolt. If you clean your weapon improperly, or don't make sure to clean up after cleaning on occasion, you are going to have those kinds of problems.

    It's the same way with Q-Tips. There are plenty of people who let them spread cotton string, puffs and other nonsense all inside the action. That's not what you are supposed to do with them.

    Likewise, you aren't supposed to carelessly rake cleaning rods all over your bore.

    If you do all these things, it isn't the cleaning that messed up the weapon, it was improper cleaning.

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