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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutshot John View Post
    You're right, just made the whole thing up, my apologies, knock yourself out.

    Pitting won't cause failures, unless it eats all the way through and a piece falls off or something. I just don't want it on my hardware.

    I just don't get where you have a problem with me, or anyone else, wanting carbon off. You want yours caked with carbon BUT STILL FULLY FUNCTIONAL? Have at it.
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    Wow this thread has descended into the absurd.

    Can we get an actual armorer to comment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutshot John View Post
    Wow this thread has descended into the absurd.

    Can we get an actual armorer to comment?
    Why is it absurd?

    Let's review:

    1) Will it run with carbon buildup if properly lubed? Yes.

    2) Do some people value their investments enough that they don't want carbon buildup and the subsequent pitting, DESPITE the fact that it will still function? Yes.

    What's the problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABNAK View Post
    Pitting won't cause failures, unless it eats all the way through and a piece falls off or something. I just don't want it on my hardware.

    I just don't get where you have a problem with me, or anyone else, wanting carbon off. You want yours caked with carbon BUT STILL FULLY FUNCTIONAL? Have at it.
    I must have missed where I said I had a problem with anyone cleaning their rifle, could you point that out to me? I never once said "don't clean your gun".

    You can do whatever you want to your rifle. I just said you don't have to clean the bolt-tail to make your rifle be reliable, something that many in this thread have espoused.

    The burned carbon/lube combo might even do a fairly good job of protecting the metal, similar to seasoning a cast iron pan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutshot John View Post
    Wow this thread has descended into the absurd.

    Can we get an actual armorer to comment?
    We already did, he just didn't post. A friend who owns the training range I attend (where I teach the firearm cleaning portion of the classes in exchange for use of the range at my leisure), was a military armorer, specializing in grease guns and M16s.

    I was just speaking with him on the phone about this, and my shock at reading some of it, and he laughed his tail off.

    You need to clean your weapon to a high standard. Period. He thought I was wasting my time in this thread, and said I'd likely get kicked off the forum for starting a ruckus over it. That may be the case, it may not. This is an important subject, though, and people keep dirty weapons.

    As long as I am around, however, the truth will be told. I wouldn't waste all this time cleaning these darned things if I didn't know it was a good idea. I can think of a lot of soldiers who would rather have been doing other things, but that training took on a new meaning when they actually had to rely on the things, and they took care of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutshot John View Post
    Wow this thread has descended into the absurd.

    Can we get an actual armorer to comment?
    Iraqgunz already did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutshot John View Post

    The burned carbon/lube combo might even do a fairly good job of protecting the metal, similar to seasoning a cast iron pan.

    Now THAT is a bit of a stretch.

    Nonetheless, I don't recall saying that carbon on the bolt tail WOULD impede function. It won't. So your point is agreed upon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABNAK View Post
    Now THAT is a bit of a stretch.
    Might be a stretch, but carbon (like graphite) itself is a sometimes used as a protectant in high-temp applications.

    Nonetheless, I don't recall saying that carbon on the bolt tail WOULD impede function. It won't. So your point is agreed upon.
    I wasn't speaking just to you, but if you agree that it won't cause a malfunction, I'm not sure I understand your disagreement.

    Iraqgunz simply said soak and use a light brush with a copper brush. He also seemed to imply he only did it because he was super-anal about a clean gun. He certainly never said get steel-tipped implements and scrape every speck of carbon off the bolttail.

    I understand someone being super anal, but for some noobs who call people "lazy" because they don't scrape their bolttail is simple ignorance.
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    I think it goes to the fact that some will go BEYOND what is just necessary to keep the gun running. Perhaps "lazy" is a bit harsh, but I was told by that poster that EVERYTHING I'd written was wrong. Don't know him but he strikes me as the kind who will hear that tidbit and grasp onto it as his assurance that his lackadaisical (better term?) cleaning practices are "okay". From a FUNCTION point of view, yes. But from keeping your investment bought with your hard-earned dollars clean, no. Again, he is not the type I'd even think about buying a used AR from unless he broke it down in front of me---and then I'd likely have all the info I'd need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutshot John View Post
    Might be a stretch, but carbon (like graphite) itself is a sometimes used as a protectant in high-temp applications.



    I wasn't speaking just to you, but if you agree that it won't cause a malfunction, I'm not sure I understand your disagreement.

    Iraqgunz simply said soak and use a light brush with a copper brush. He also seemed to imply he only did it because he was super-anal about a clean gun. He certainly never said get steel-tipped implements and scrape every speck of carbon off the bolttail.

    I understand someone being super anal, but for some noobs who call people "lazy" because they don't scrape their bolttail is simple ignorance.
    First, I am not a noob. Perhaps I am new here, but I wasn't born yesterday.

    Second, I didn't once advocate scraping anything. If you look to my initial post, I suggest the plastic brush. If that doesn't work, you can move to the soft metal bristle brush. I don't use a scraper anymore. When I did, it was only in certain situations, and now, those situations are unlikely to occur.

    Using a carbon scraper can indeed damage the surface being scraped if it is done too frequently or improperly.

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