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    Quote Originally Posted by ABNAK View Post
    I think it goes to the fact that some will go BEYOND what is just necessary to keep the gun running. Perhaps "lazy" is a bit harsh, but I was told by that poster that EVERYTHING I'd written was wrong. Don't know him but he strikes me as the kind who will hear that tidbit and grasp onto it as his assurance that his lackadaisical (better term?) cleaning practices are "okay". From a FUNCTION point of view, yes. But from keeping your investment bought with your hard-earned dollars clean, no. Again, he is not the type I'd even think about buying a used AR from unless he broke it down in front of me---and then I'd likely have all the info I'd need.
    I'm still going to call it lazy. The bolt comes out of the firearm in all of a few seconds, and it is right there, waiting to be cleaned. There is no reason not to do it, aside from laziness. All the reasons people come up with just amount to excuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennith13 View Post
    First, I am not a noob. Perhaps I am new here, but I wasn't born yesterday.

    Second, I didn't once advocate scraping anything. If you look to my initial post, I suggest the plastic brush. If that doesn't work, you can move to the soft metal bristle brush. I don't use a scraper anymore. When I did, it was only in certain situations, and now, those situations are unlikely to occur.

    Using a carbon scraper can indeed damage the surface being scraped if it is done too frequently or improperly.
    A brass scraper of some sort (brush, stripper clip, etc.) SHOULD be okay as brass is supposedly softer than the metals used to make the bolt. Now the FINISH may be another issue.

    I have a BCG done by Robar in NP3. It's great but you gotta be careful what abrasive you use to get carbon off as the NP3 *can* be scraped off. Someone at Robar recommended nothing more abrasive than 0000 steel wool with some CLP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABNAK View Post
    A brass scraper of some sort (brush, stripper clip, etc.) SHOULD be okay as brass is supposedly softer than the metals used to make the bolt. Now the FINISH may be another issue.

    I have a BCG done by Robar in NP3. It's great but you gotta be careful what abrasive you use to get carbon off as the NP3 *can* be scraped off. Someone at Robar recommended nothing more abrasive than 0000 steel wool with some CLP.
    You are right. That should be much safer than some of the products I've seen on the market.

    It still makes me a bit nervous, but I can't disagree with it. As for the finish, that's coming off eventually either way, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennith13 View Post
    First, I am not a noob. Perhaps I am new here, but I wasn't born yesterday.
    You are new here, and so calling those that don't agree with you as "lazy" might be construed as bad form. Just a thought.

    Second, I didn't once advocate scraping anything. If you look to my initial post, I suggest the plastic brush. If that doesn't work, you can move to the soft metal bristle brush. I don't use a scraper anymore. When I did, it was only in certain situations, and now, those situations are unlikely to occur.
    I wasn't responding just to you.

    Using a carbon scraper can indeed damage the surface being scraped if it is done too frequently or improperly.
    So you agree that the boat tail doesn't need to be cleaned too frequently/aggressively?

    Isn't that what some (like Littlelebowski) have been saying? So long as the carbon doesn't interfere with the firing pin, what need is there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kennith13 View Post
    I'm still going to call it lazy. The bolt comes out of the firearm in all of a few seconds, and it is right there, waiting to be cleaned. There is no reason not to do it, aside from laziness. All the reasons people come up with just amount to excuses.
    Sorry but that's just ill-informed.
    Last edited by Gutshot John; 07-28-09 at 15:49.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutshot John View Post
    You are new here, and so calling those that don't agree with you as "lazy" might be construed as bad form. Just a thought.



    I wasn't responding just to you.



    So you agree that the boat tail doesn't need to be cleaned too frequently/aggressively?

    Isn't that what some (like Littlelebowski) have been saying? So long as the carbon doesn't interfere with the firing pin, what need is there?
    I am a polite person at heart, but I have never been accused of having the best form. There is no reason not to clean the darned thing. That means that the only reason not to clean it is because you just don't feel like it. If that isn't laziness, I don't know what is.

    When I eat a bowl of soup, take it to the sink, and decide I'll wash it out tomorrow, that is laziness. When I don't make my bed in the morning, that is laziness. There is no reason not to do these things, they take no time at all. Not doing them is lazy.

    And no, I'm not saying that it should only be cleaned on occasion. I'm saying that using a scraper should be a last resort, and then only used if time is very pressing. Do you know what a scraper is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutshot John View Post
    Sorry but that's just ill-informed.
    I am not ill informed. I didn't read about this on the internet, I am calling from experience and training. Sometimes, there is a right way and a wrong way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennith13 View Post
    I am a polite person at heart, but I have never been accused of having the best form. There is no reason not to clean the darned thing. That means that the only reason not to clean it is because you just don't feel like it. If that isn't laziness, I don't know what is.
    You mean other than risking damage to your bolt? You know the old expression "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"?

    When I eat a bowl of soup, take it to the sink, and decide I'll wash it out tomorrow, that is laziness. When I don't make my bed in the morning, that is laziness. There is no reason not to do these things, they take no time at all. Not doing them is lazy.
    Apples and oranges...I wash dishes everyday because I don't like food poisoning. This isn't the same thing.

    And no, I'm not saying that it should only be cleaned on occasion. I'm saying that using a scraper should be a last resort, and then only used if time is very pressing. Do you know what a scraper is?
    Once again, go back and re-read this thread and see what some people have said to use while cleaning the bolt tail.

    I wasn't just talking to you, keep that in mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kennith13 View Post
    I am not ill informed. I didn't read about this on the internet, I am calling from experience and training. Sometimes, there is a right way and a wrong way.
    Right, like I'm not calling from experience and training.

    Take a Caputo Diagnostics class and get back to me. He has a bit more credibility than you as far as I'm concerned.

    I soak mine, give it a few passes with a bronze brush...whatever comes off...comes off. Whatever stays won't make a difference at all.
    Last edited by Gutshot John; 07-28-09 at 16:44.
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    I would like to modify my original comment about Caputo as I found my notes.

    He didn't say not to clean the tail, he just said there was no need to scrape the carbon buildup off.
    Last edited by Gutshot John; 07-28-09 at 16:08.
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