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    Quote Originally Posted by kennith13 View Post
    CLP plus a plastic brush and a few pipe cleaners, and some Q tips will clean any bolt out there after a range session, you just have to know how to do it and have the patience to scrub.

    Carbon shouldn't be allowed to build up on a bolt, it should be squeaky clean every time you finish maintaining it. Every ounce that can possibly be removed when cleaning should be removed. It is the difference between a firearm that will function at it's peak during hard use and one that will fail repeatedly once warmed up and fouled.

    The 3M pads can help sometimes, but you want to use the ones advertised as non-scratching, if your carrier still has any coating left on it. They won't get into the real problem areas on the BCG, so I don't see a real reason to bother with them. You can buy the non-scratch ones at any supermarket, if you are intent on using them. The ones I wash my dishes with are blue, and would be a better choice than the green ones. Those green buggers scratch the heck out of everything I try to wash with them.

    The fact of the matter is you can't have the rifle too clean, only too dirty. Any carbon at all is too dirty on a firearm this finicky. The cleaner it is, the better it runs. I maintain my firearms once a week as necessary, and I've got more than a few. It doesn't take any real time out of my life. Instead of vegging out on the couch watching TV, I break out a firearm and maintain it while watching TV. Then I veg out.

    Oh, by the way, I'm new here. Hi everyone.
    I disagree with almost everything written here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Aherne View Post
    I disagree with almost everything written here.
    If you disagree with more than 1/3 of what I wrote there, you are disagreeing with some very amusing things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutshot John View Post
    Right, like I'm not calling from experience and training.

    Take a Caputo Diagnostics class and get back to me. He has a bit more credibility than an 8 post noob as far as I'm concerned.

    I soak mine, give it a few passes with a bronze brush...whatever comes off...comes off. Whatever stays won't make a difference at all.
    You can believe what you want.

    I don't need to take Dean's "class", I took Uncle Sam's "classes".

    I teach classes as well, and not just about cleaning. Why don't you come take MY class, and get back to ME instead? I'm supposed to go listen to some guy tell me about the basics of the AR-15, and that will make me an expert like you? I'd be better off reading a book about Tae-Kwon-Do and expecting to be a martial arts master after the fact.

    Give me a break. I'm not arguing with you any more. Whoever reads this thread can make the decision they feel suits them best.

    They can either follow common sense and experience from someone who has lived with these things regularly, or they can go to the latest popular tacti-cool school and feel good about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennith13 View Post
    You can believe what you want.

    I don't need to take Dean's "class", I took Uncle Sam's "classes".
    Funny that I saw a lot of guys, including myself, who took Uncle Sam's classes at Dean's class. Being proud of ignorance, or thinking yours is the only way is far more fatal than leaving carbon on your bolt. Open your mind a bit and you might get something out of this forum. If you know it all, why come here at all?

    I teach classes as well, and not just about cleaning. Why don't you come take MY class, and get back to ME instead? I'm supposed to go listen to some guy tell me about the basics of the AR-15, and that will make me an expert like you? I'd be better off reading a book about Tae-Kwon-Do and expecting to be a martial arts master after the fact.
    Who do you teach for? What are your qualifications? Dean Caputo is a recognized expert in the AR system, are you? Why would I pay good money to take a class from you?

    They can either follow common sense and experience from someone who has lived with these things regularly, or they can go to the latest popular tacti-cool school and feel good about it.
    Spoken like a true internet commando. So let me guess...you're the only one here with common sense and experience and so you denigrate those that take the time and effort to improve their knowledge?

    You'd do well to follow their example and invest in a little training. You simply don't know, what you don't know.
    Last edited by Gutshot John; 07-28-09 at 16:42.
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    Certain individuals in this thread need to throttle back - right F'ing now. Consider this your warning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennith13 View Post
    I don't need to take Dean's "class", I took Uncle Sam's "classes".
    Would that be the same Uncle Sam that requires white glove inspections and tells us that the guns won't run unless you stagger the gas rings?

    I teach classes as well, and not just about cleaning. Why don't you come take MY class, and get back to ME instead?
    The instructor you're referring to is a certified armorer instructor - one of only a very small number - for Colt. You know, the company that actually makes the guns for both the military and for many of us.

    If you have better credentials than that to comment on what is required maintenance and what isn't, please share them with us.
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    Military doctrine in-terms of training and weapons maintenance is not always practical, or even useful for anything beyond the square 300m range or anything other than inspection purposes.

    In my opinion, cleaning every little bit of carbon off of your bolt is not a neccesity to proper function, but it is useful in-terms of preventive maintenance (keeping your gun running).

    Cleaning the carbon build-up off of your bolt gives you the opportunity to inspect your bolt/carrier/gas rings,etc. for any signs of cracks, premature wear and other anomalies in these areas that otherwise may not be apparent with built-up carbon present.

    For example, I would NOT run the bolt pictured in this thread: http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=33402&page=2 in any of my guns due to the excessive amount of "pitting" present. Much of the pitting may not have been visible if it were not cleared of the carbon.
    Last edited by nickdrak; 07-28-09 at 17:06.

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    Nope, we wouldn't want an argument on the internet. That would be a bad thing.

    Ironic that in a place where people gather to discuss firearms they aren't allowed to harmlessly express their opinions and experiences. Private forum, your rules. That's fine. I just find it ironic.

    So, now we can't hash out just who is telling the truth, because it might provoke a little more argument.

    There is a lot of misinformation being peddled on the net about AR pattern rifles nowadays, and I don't see how that is going to stop until two people can finish an argument. Too much "operator" and "tactical", around for anyone's good, nowadays.

    You say something, and try to present your side, someone get's their panties in a bunch, and it is closed before you have a chance to bolster your position.

    Well, that is fine, just ironic, is all.

    We are delving into the basis of our respective opinions now, and we need to "throttle back - right F'ing now", as if we are about to come to blows over it? I'm about to make a sandwich and go fix a doorbell. Nobody is going to be hurt over a little argument. My blood pressure isn't rising over a stupid internet debate.

    Do what you will.

    He can have his little tacticool back-patting session, for all I care. I'm just presenting information, and calling a spade a spade. If that isn't allowed here, so be it.

    You can expect more of it from me, and if you aren't going to like it, just say the word, and I'll leave for good. You don't need to ban me, I'll leave of my own accord. This is your forum, as I said, with your rules. If all I'm going to do is break them, I'll make it easy on you and skip town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickdrak View Post
    Military doctrine in-terms of training and weapons maintenance is not always practical, or even useful for anything beyond the square 300m range or anything other than inspection purposes.

    In my opinion, cleaning every little bit of carbon off of your bolt is not a neccesity to proper function, but it is useful in-terms of preventive maintenance (keeping you gun running).

    Cleaning the carbon build-up off of your bolt gives you the opportunity to inspect your bolt/carrier/gas rings,etc. for any signs of cracks, premature wear and other anomalies in these areas that otherwise may not be apparent with built-up carbon present.

    For example, I would NOT run the bolt pictured in this thread: http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=33402&page=2 in any of my guns due to the excessive amount of "pitting" present. Much of the pitting may not have been visible if it were not cleared of the carbon.
    I can go with that.

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    kennith13-

    It would probably help if you explained the basis for your opinions, specifically the experience and training that you claim underlies your opinion. That would be particularly helpful given that some of us have been trained by the factory armorer instructors and they sang a different tune than you.

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