Range Report: Precision Shooting With an Aimpoint

[rob_s]

molon, great post. you've been on a roll and I'm looking forward to what else you come up with and more threads in the future.

[SiGfever]

Great post and shooting, this makes the T1 look even better. I have been struggling with the choice between the ML3 (2MOA) and the T1/H1 (3.4MOA).

[decodeddiesel]

"Precision Shooting" is obviously a subjective term. >1/4 MOA @ 100 yards is not "Precision" in my book nor >1 MOA @ 800 yards.

If a dot (4MOA or 2MOA) could make hits on 1MOA targets out to 350 yards I'd stick with it. Unfortunately you can't see 1MOA targets for sh*t at 300 yards without X3 at least.

What is you Irons group at 100yards?

Might be better to keep them zeroed at 100 and move the dot off for longer shots. The sight radius is not near as good as infinity, but you can get a more consistent hold with a post than fuzzy dot I bet.

Utterly and completely missed the whole point of this thread. As was clearly stated by the OP the point was to demonstrate groups less than 4 MOA are possible with a 4 MOA dot Aimpoint.

So you're saying you wouldn't use an Aimpoint because you can't make 1MOA hits with it at 350 yards? Well Sir then you completely and utterly missed the point of an Aimpoint (no pun intended).

You're last sentence makes no sense whats so ever BTW.

[Thomas M-4]

"Precision Shooting" is obviously a subjective term. >1/4 MOA @ 100 yards is not "Precision" in my book nor >1 MOA @ 800 yards.

If a dot (4MOA or 2MOA) could make hits on 1MOA targets out to 350 yards I'd stick with it. Unfortunately you can't see 1MOA targets for sh*t at 300 yards without X3 at least.

What is you Irons group at 100yards?

Might be better to keep them zeroed at 100 and move the dot off for longer shots. The sight radius is not near as good as infinity, but you can get a more consistent hold with a post than fuzzy dot I bet.

1/4 MOA at 100 yards is not precision in your book. I think you are reading the wrong book then sir. We are talking about combat rifles not a single shot 6mmbr Benchrest rifle. You do know that RDS are for close in high speed ,high stress work right? Not precision long range shots that require a totally different tool for that job.

[RogerinTPA]

Great results Molon, well done.

Aimpoint and other RDSs, were designed for accurate close battle and are capable of combat accuracy beyond 200 yards, depending on the shooter and your zero. Anything beyond that, if looking for greater precision and accuracy, use a magnifier or a 1-4X variable scope. You should always be aware of the limitations of yourself and your weapon. More often than not, the gear will outperform the individual shooter. Clearly, this is not the case with Molon's shooting results. If anyone of us can't come close to these results with your RDS, then we to get back to the range and practice a little more on the fundamentals of rifle marksmanship and a little less on plinking.

As stated on this forum many times, it will always be the singer and not the song.

[oregonshooter]

Ok, first off that is good shooting.

Second ">" means GREATER THAN

putting a 4 MOA dot on a 6 MOA target is gonna give you the rifles accuracy if you center it nicely like the OP. Guessing that the gun can do 1/2 MOA thee is 1/2 MOA of slop in that target, again nicely done.

Percision shooting? No.

If I missed the point, then so be it. Sorry I'm not astounded by the obvious.

[ballistic]

Excellent post Molon.

One of the keys for obtaining more precision at longer distances with an Aimpoint is to turn the brightness of the dot down to a setting where it's still visible but doesn't bloom.

[recon by fire]

I think that the the Aimpoint is as accurate as iron sights. I see better results (and better accuracy) from the Aimpoint than with irons. These are results of military personnel I've trained in rifle marksmanship. I consistantly see tighter groups and higher qualification scores with the with the Aimpoint. My theory is not that the Aimpoint is any more accurate than irons, it's that it's easier to use. There is more skill required with iron sights. I know that this thread is not about a comparison of Aimpoint vs. iron sights. The reason that I bring this up is because iron sights are pretty damn accurate for a battle carbine, and the Aimpoint's accuracy is comparable. American service rifles have used iron sights for a long time. The Aimpoint is an upgrade. The M4 carbine with an Aimpoint (0x magnification) is capable of consistant hits on human sized targets out to atleast 300 meters. Here is where the Aimpoint excels. It's fast. It's as simple as that. In a close quarters gun fight the RDS is fast. Is a 10x magnified scope more accurate than an RDS? Yes. Is a 10x scope fast in a close quarters gun fight? No. That's where the ACOG bridges the gap. With training and practice a person can get pretty fast with an ACOG at short range reflexive fire. And it's long range capabilities exceed an RDS.

Great post Molon! Sorry if I went off on a tangent, just trying to support your post that an Aimpoint is a great sight.

[CLHC]

Interesting thread here I must say! Nice going!

[Captains1911]

"Precision Shooting" is obviously a subjective term. >1/4 MOA @ 100 yards is not "Precision" in my book nor >1 MOA @ 800 yards.

If a dot (4MOA or 2MOA) could make hits on 1MOA targets out to 350 yards I'd stick with it. Unfortunately you can't see 1MOA targets for sh*t at 300 yards without X3 at least.

What is you Irons group at 100yards?

Might be better to keep them zeroed at 100 and move the dot off for longer shots. The sight radius is not near as good as infinity, but you can get a more consistent hold with a post than fuzzy dot I bet.

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