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    Big fonts hurt.

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    Rick, easy dude. I don't want to argue about this, as I doubt that others do either. Big fonts are the equivalent of screaming, and everyone knows that once an conversation has reached a certain decibel level, reason is lost. Hopefully that is not the case here.

    I have a FZ BCG. I know that lots of super guys run them and like them. I don't think that anyone is saying that FZ is a crock or that they are lying. I am certainly not.

    Lubrication is a good thing. While there are machnines and firearms that will run with no lube, in all but a very few cases (as with .22 blow-back guns) a well lubricated machine will work better/longer than one with no lubrication. This is in regards to sustained operation, as a firearm would see in an average carbine course. If you are firing less than 50 rounds, lubrication won't really be necessary even with a standard phosphated BCG.

    A properly functioning and lubricated AR will easily fire 2000 rounds without cleaning. I personally know of several guns that have gone well over 5000 before cleaning. There is no reason not to clean them before the 2000 round mark if you want to though.

    Have fun shooting stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    Rick, easy dude. I don't want to argue about this, as I doubt that others do either. Big fonts are the equivalent of screaming, and everyone knows that once an conversation has reached a certain decibel level, reason is lost. Hopefully that is not the case here.

    I have a FZ BCG. I know that lots of super guys run them and like them. I don't think that anyone is saying that FZ is a crock or that they are lying. I am certainly not.

    Lubrication is a good thing. While there are machnines and firearms that will run with no lube, in all but a very few cases (as with .22 blow-back guns) a well lubricated machine will work better/longer than one with no lubrication. This is in regards to sustained operation, as a firearm would see in an average carbine course. If you are firing less than 50 rounds, lubrication won't really be necessary even with a standard phosphated BCG.

    A properly functioning and lubricated AR will easily fire 2000 rounds without cleaning. I personally know of several guns that have gone well over 5000 before cleaning. There is no reason not to clean them before the 2000 round mark if you want to though.

    Have fun shooting stuff.
    I was no aware Font Size was Yelling. I thought it was all capitol letters. It wasn't meant as yelling. Why would I be yelling to get a point across that isn't my point so to speak. Sorry about that. Not up on all the does and don'ts of forums.

    Anyway..Yep I realize all that stuff and I will more than likely lube my stuff some. I was just saying before I do I am going to see how far I can go before I have to . I also intend on observing the wear. I may eventually have the inside of my upper reciever treated but they actually suggested it didn't need to be. Otherwise I'd have done that also.

    I used a BCM Bolt and Carrier sent in for coating. If I did it over I would buy the whole thing from them. It was more expensive the way I did it. Plus it had to be re staked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickenbacker53 View Post
    What are you doing cleaning every time you shoot? 5 minutes that ridiculous. Or maybe your using a piston AR. Guess your entitled to you opinion. I am just telling you how easy it was with 600 rounds. With the old BCG that came with the rifle it's filthy. Everyone is entitled to move with progress as fast or slow as the wish.

    Anyone that shoots at all knows it takes awhile to clean a dirty bolt and carrier. Sometimes it has to soak all night.
    15 minutes is a long time to clean a BCG. Like someone said use some break/carb cleaner and all that junk comes right off. BCGs don't need to be spotless to run. I've seen Marines take dremel tools to their M16s to get carbon off (along with the finish) I think some military units get carried away with weapon inspections which lead people to think that their rifle needs to be ridiculously clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sniperfrog View Post
    15 minutes is a long time to clean a BCG. Like someone said use some break/carb cleaner and all that junk comes right off. BCGs don't need to be spotless to run. I've seen Marines take dremel tools to their M16s to get carbon off (along with the finish) I think some military units get carried away with weapon inspections which lead people to think that their rifle needs to be ridiculously clean.
    Yup! I just recently learned that the Corps instilled WAY too much weapons maintenance in me. The military (well, USMC and Army anyways) taught us to clean weapons like madmen... even if they were already clean!

    There were days when we had nothing to do that we literally spent all damn day at the armory cleaning the shit out of our already-spotless M16s and M249s. And of course we always cleaned our weapons after EVERY trip to the range, even if we only fired 12 rounds to simply BZO/confirm BZO our weapons!

    That shit unfortunately stays with you even after you are discharged from the military.

    USMC03 has now set my ass straight in regards to weapon maintenance though. I will now only clean my ARs after several thousand rounds have been fired through them (excluding my SBR that will be dedicated to firing suppressed, as I really don't want 3 month old gunk being blown back in my face while firing), and just properly lube them regularly as needed.

    It's taking some time to get myself "adjusted" to this new maintenance routine, and I have literally had to tell myself several times already, "Paul, put the rag and CLP down and DO NOT clean the weapon! Just squirt some lube in there and then slowly back away from the weapon, man!".... but I'm getting better

    -Paul

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    I still clean my guns after a range session, I just don't try to get them to pass any white glove test. Even if they sat in they safe for awhile I'll pull them out and wipe 'em down. My first deployment was on board an amphib ship and the Marines on boared didn't have much to do when we were underway, so they cleaned weapons twice a day. Those things looked like they were chrome plated, no anodizing left anywhere. I saw a guy take a dremel tool with one of those wire brush type wheels and was scrubbing everything with it. I quickly asked him what the hell he was doing and he said "my Gunny likes it this way" -.

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