I remember reading somewhere where Larry Vickers said the S&W was a"best buy" in the AR market. Which I could find the source as it always runs through my mind when I look at M&Ps.
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I remember reading somewhere where Larry Vickers said the S&W was a"best buy" in the AR market. Which I could find the source as it always runs through my mind when I look at M&Ps.
Oh come on! Some guy with less then 10 posts posts this, and your going to change your mind? If you can find a OR for 799 take it. I absolutely love mine! And like people above me have said you put bad reloads into any AR and your going to have a problem in any gun, even a Noveske.
Would you mind telling me where you found it for 799.00? I would snap it up in a second.
Wow, I have an M&P15OR also, it's at S&W getting the gas block aligned. I couldn't zero windage without going about 10 clicks to right. It's been sitting in the shipping room for 1 week now. I've been calling and can't get them to throw it on a truck and give me tracking. So now I'm wondering.. are they intentionally holding because there are issues with these? I've got about 500 rounds of Remington UMC and the posts linked below says it's not so reliable.. not sure if they mean umc though.
So these M&P's can't be trusted to be safe?
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Look, I have no intentions of buying an S&W M&P15, for personal reasons that I won't go into, but that have absolutely nothing to do with a fear of it blowing up or having some sort of catastrophic malfunction... I just don't want one. It's just not the rifle for me.
That said, there are a lot of users here who are apparently very satisfied with these rifles, as they are always constantly stating how pleased they are with them... to me that means that they are very decent, reliable rifles.
Not to mention that Costa and Haley from Magpul Dynamics are currently running them (last I heard they are still testing and evaluating them anyways), and while I'm assuming that S&W are one of the many companies that pay those guys to run their guns and gear in order to test and evaluate its durability, reliability, etc (and yes I'm sure it helps S&W sell more rifles when guys see Costa and Haley using M&P15's), regardless of any of the politics of that stuff I guarantee that the Magpul guys are running the living shit out of those guns.
I cannot remember exactly what Travis Haley said here in a thread on the subject, but (from what I remember) when speaking about the M&P15 he was/is evaluating for S&W, he basically said that it's a good rifle and it performs very well.
Although companies pay Magpul Dynamics to test and evaluate their guns and gear, I seriously doubt that they would jeopardize the credibility and integrity of their company by saying only good things about a company's guns and gear simply because that company paid them to test and evaluate it. I would also imagine that they would only say good things about a particular firearm or piece of gear they were testing if it was in fact a good piece of kit. If something they were testing and evaluating completely sucked ass, they most likely wouldn't even bring that product up in any forum or other media venue whatsoever... they would likely just keep their lips sealed regarding it.
These are all assumptions on my part, of course.
But if you are thinking about getting an S&W M&P15, and after reading about one guy's gun exploding you don't won't to buy one any more, I think that's just stupid. I mean seriously guys, it's one person's gun and we don't know all of the facts, regardless of his pics and statements about ammo and what "really happened." There's just no way to know all of that very pertinent info for sure.
Now if you don't want to buy one of these rifles because of what the chart says about it, that's fine and understandable... maybe you would prefer a carbine that's all "blue" and is of higher quality. But please don't let this one post make up your damn mind for you. Do some more research and think for yourselves.
Last edited by RetreatHell; 09-09-09 at 17:17.
looked at the photos. Isn't this what happens when you have a barrel obstruction? Like a squib round?
After sifting through the threads it seems more of an ammo issue than the ARs.
Thanks for everyone input. I realize I don't have alot of post's but I read the post often and learn alot form them. I also feel that the fella who's S&W MP15 blew up can probably be traced to his ammo. Anyway, Thanks to all.
I recently bought a S&W M&P15a. I got a good deal on it and thought it would be a better value than a Colt. I shot about 150 rounds of .223 Rem ammo and it ran fine. Accurate, very light and handy. I then started shooting Federal and Prvi 5.56x45mm ammo out of it. That's when I noticed a problem. The gun shot and ran fine, but if I tried to manually extract a live round using the charging handle, I had a lot of difficulty extracting the live round. It seemed like the cartridge was stuck in the chamber, even though when I pulled the triiger, the gun would cycle and eject the empty casing without any problems.
I cleaned the gun and the chamber very carefully, and went back to the range, but I still had the same problem. I suspect the gun has a problem with the 5.56 ammo, which is slightly longer than the commercial .223 Rem ammo I was using.
I called S&W this week and they are sending me a shipping label to have it returned to their factory for inspection. In the mean time, I bit the bullet and bought a Colt 6920. The local shop had cut their prices and although it cost a few hundred more than the S&W, so far the Colt has run like a top. The finish on the Colt is not as nice as the finish on the S&W, and the fit of the upper receiver to lower receiver does not seem as tight on the Colt as the S&W.
However, the Colt has a slightly nicer trigger action than the S&W. Plus, the Colt has been very reliable without any of the manual extraction issues that I've had with the S&W.
If I had to do it again, at this point in time, I would pick a Colt over the S&W. I had heard great things about S&W when I researched my purchase, but I think their rifles have had some quality issues recently (perhaps due to the post election rush to build as many guns as possible to meet demand).
The S&W is a good gun and it's finished better than the Colt. However, the Colt seems very durable and I seem to shoot it better. I think this is due in part to the better trigger action.
Last edited by cynergyou; 09-09-09 at 21:52.
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