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    I've used the older 4-slot Phantom & the FSC556 on my gun. The FSC seems to smooth things out a little & while it does kick up some dirt in urban prone I haven't found it to be a deal breaker for me. Some of the guys at the last OPS Tactical Carbine class said they got some good blast from it but it doesn't come back on me at all. It is a little louder than my Phantom, but not bad at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YammyMonkey View Post
    I've used the older 4-slot Phantom & the FSC556 on my gun. The FSC seems to smooth things out a little & while it does kick up some dirt in urban prone I haven't found it to be a deal breaker for me. Some of the guys at the last OPS Tactical Carbine class said they got some good blast from it but it doesn't come back on me at all. It is a little louder than my Phantom, but not bad at all.
    People wont shoot next to me at the range. I think their a bunch of pussys though.

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    Anyone have any input on the Smith Vortex?
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    I'm extremely curious about Troy's two offerings. Does the brake actually suppress flash, or is it simply a brake.

    Will a brake mitigate recoil on an indirect impingement system, or is it a waste of time?

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    troy's midevil doesnt do that well at supressing flash, its much like the a2 birdcage.

    the aac blackout is really good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dapimpspimp View Post
    I am currently running a Sure Fire MB556 on my work LMT 16inch rifle. I recently attended a Magpul Carbine 2 class with it and I could definitely could see an advantage with this muzzle brake.

    Muzzle rise control is excellent. My red dot just quivers on the target, especially when shooting multiple rounds quickly. Noise for the shooter is not that bad. Its the shooters on your sides who suffer. I was running a PWS comp prior. The PWS directed more noise back towards the shooter. When shooing quickly with the PWS, I could feel the brake push the muzzle downwards as I fired. As noted by other users, the SureFire does kick up some debris when shooting urban prone.

    For my purposes, the control gained while shooting in 95% of various shooting positions out weights the debris kicked from urban prone.

    The Surefire does not suppress muzzle flash however. I do not find the muzzle flash to be distracting. For LE work, I am not too concerned about muzzle flash jeopardizing my position as I will probably be illuminating my target with my weapon light anyways.

    For recoil control and quick follow up shots, both the pws and the surefire offer big dividends over the standard a2 flash hider in my opinion. If money was not a factor, the new knights triple tap would be worth considering.

    You hit the nail right on the head.

    I have the Surefire MB556k and I absolutely love it. Now this is a break, not a flash hider. So don't expect much as far as flash reduction is concerned. If your shooting at night, get a can. Most people don't like brakes because the concussion from it will bother the shooter to the left or the right. Well I have a couple friends with the same brake and it doesn't bother me one bit. In fact I ran a Magpul class about six months ago and throughout the whole class I was in between two of them. One on a SBR and another on my buddies 16in. Didn't bother me at all, and I spoke with the other shooters and it didn't bother them ether... I am not saying there is no concussion, I am just saying its really not bad at all. I think people get caught up in what they read and then go out and when they feel a little gush of wind and a bit of loud noise they automatically respond with "oh my god this is horrible." If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. As far as muzzle rise, it is pretty much gone. Truly a day and night difference. You can shoot much faster while staying accurate. The one big negative is that when firing in the urban prone, the brake kicks up a flurry of dirt and rocks which can get in your eyes... This however can be remedied by a good pare of eye-pro. (learned that the hard way)


    I digress to SF's promo vid and some pictures of my own:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWUk6GJQhNQ

    Another picture of what happens in the urban featuring yours truly.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ztf HITMAN View Post
    Anyone have any input on the Smith Vortex?
    I got to shoot with one in low light (shade side of a mountain with the sun going down rapidly), they are better than an A2 in hiding flash. I would also say just a shade better than my 4 slot phantom. I personally can't tell the difference between the Vortex and my AAC SPR M4 Blackout, but I haven't shot them in the dark yet.

    None of the devices I listed really seemed to effect recoil for me.

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    Unless you are using a silencer, I don't think you need anything other than an A2 flashhider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    Unless you are using a silencer, I don't think you need anything other than an A2 flashhider.
    It is not a matter of need. It is a matter of being as proficient as possible with ones weapon. Having the ability to engage multiple threats and shoot the same target more times much faster than with an A2 is a very significant advantage. Split seconds could potentially make a big difference in a gun fight, and I don't know about you, but I am going to get every advantage I can when my life or more importantly my brothers lives are on the line.

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