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    I'm pretty sure that the M&P rifles are either partially made in house now at S&W or at least partially. The receivers are marked the same but now start at serial number 500000 instead of 100000, also they have the LMT BCGs and no markings whatsoever on the barrels anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotm4 View Post
    I'm pretty sure that the M&P rifles are either partially made in house now at S&W or at least partially. The receivers are marked the same but now start at serial number 500000 instead of 100000, also they have the LMT BCGs and no markings whatsoever on the barrels anymore.

    I would agree. I heard that STAG/CMT just couldn't keep up with their demand and I can confirm the use of LMT BCG's (which is a very good thing).



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    A S&W Rep was at my friend's shop Thursday. He told me the regular M&P15's like mine are still outsourced, but the T model and the A model are made in house now. He couldnt give me a reason for the switch to the LMT BCG, but S&W customer service told me there was nothing wrong with my double staked carrier (their words).
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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    I would agree. I heard that STAG/CMT just couldn't keep up with their demand and I can confirm the use of LMT BCG's (which is a very good thing).
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    So is that just for the M&P version, or do the Stag "clones" also use the LMT BCG? I just bought a complete Stag Model 2T yesterday and I'll be picking it up this week. Just wondering what to expect.

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    Stag is a great gun. CS is about the best, I have every seen.

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    stag ar-15

    I have been going back and forth on the AR purchase. Colt, M&P-15, bushmaster and stag.

    I am looking for an AR for business, not pleasure. I am in L.E. and need something I can depend on. As to the question I have been reading about M&P-15's. My buddy who just got back from Iraq, bought the M&P over the colt. As a man who carried a colt ar-15 into ever hot spot in the desert, I was suprised when he came home with the smith for patrol and swat work.

    My friend said the M&P was mil spect and the colt for L.E. was not. This guy knows his guns. special Infantry, firearms instructor.

    My question.... I heard stag makes the smith and wesson. I compared the two pics, side by side. These two AR's look identical. I sure like the STAG price. It sounds like everyone is worried about the barrel.. Ask yourself.. How often are you going to be in a running gun battle with your AR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy87Guy View Post
    So is that just for the M&P version, or do the Stag "clones" also use the LMT BCG? I just bought a complete Stag Model 2T yesterday and I'll be picking it up this week. Just wondering what to expect.

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    Stag's use CMT BCG's. Certain M&P models are NOT built by Stag and those models are getting LMT BCG's.



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    Quote Originally Posted by harry_callahan View Post
    I have been going back and forth on the AR purchase. Colt, M&P-15, bushmaster and stag.

    I am looking for an AR for business, not pleasure. I am in L.E. and need something I can depend on. As to the question I have been reading about M&P-15's. My buddy who just got back from Iraq, bought the M&P over the colt. As a man who carried a colt ar-15 into ever hot spot in the desert, I was suprised when he came home with the smith for patrol and swat work.

    My friend said the M&P was mil spect and the colt for L.E. was not. This guy knows his guns. special Infantry, firearms instructor.

    My question.... I heard stag makes the smith and wesson. I compared the two pics, side by side. These two AR's look identical. I sure like the STAG price. It sounds like everyone is worried about the barrel.. Ask yourself.. How often are you going to be in a running gun battle with your AR?
    According to the TDP, the Stag and M&P are NOT mil-spec. The main reason is barrel steel, twist rate, lack of M4 barrel extension, and M4 upper receiver. If were going to split hairs, they also don't have an H2 or even an H buffer in them.

    Are they a good gun? Sure are (especially with T and the A models coming with LMT BCG's), but they are not equal to a Colt 6920 IMHO.

    I follow the belief that it is better to have something and not need it and need it and not have it. So I personally go with the BEST components when building my AR's. "Good enough" doesn't really work for me. YMMV


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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    According to the TDP, the Stag and M&P are NOT mil-spec. The main reason is barrel steel and lack of M4 barrel extension, and M4 upper receiver. If were going to split hairs, they also don't have an H2 or even an H buffer in them.

    Are they a good gun? Sure are (especially with T and the A models coming with LMT BCG's), but they are not equal to a Colt 6920 IMHO.

    I follow the belief that it is better to have something and not need it and need it and not have it. So I personally go with the BEST components when building my AR's. "Good enough" doesn't really work for me. YMMV


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    Completely understand, but how many guys on here actually use it everyday? I completely understand the gun enthusiust... I am one. The thing I am saying, is this is a tool. This is a gun I am going to bang up, scratch and shoot the hell out of. This will not be a gun case trophy.

    I read about guys using AR'S for home defense. Crap most cops dont even carry an AR in the field and they deal with gangsters, crack heads and murderers everyday, well at least where I am from.

    Oh well, I guess the point of my rant is that I see guys on swat, special forces and such, using different ar's. I guess there is the right AR for the right situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harry_callahan View Post
    Completely understand, but how many guys on here actually use it everyday? I completely understand the gun enthusiust... I am one. The thing I am saying, is this is a tool. This is a gun I am going to bang up, scratch and shoot the hell out of. This will not be a gun case trophy.

    I read about guys using AR'S for home defense. Crap most cops dont even carry an AR in the field and they deal with gangsters, crack heads and murderers everyday, well at least where I am from.

    Oh well, I guess the point of my rant is that I see guys on swat, special forces and such, using different ar's. I guess there is the right AR for the right situation.

    I really don't think it is about using it everyday, it is about needing it to be as reliable as possible.

    No AR IMHO is worthy of being a case trophy (especially a Colt). The fit and finish tend to be somewhat lacking IMHO. Their reliability on the other hand, tends to be the best.

    Most times, cops/SWAT don't be have any say in what they carry. The pencil pushers buy the cheapest AR's they can find. So I generally NEVER put much stock in what some PD is using.


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