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    I'm running a single point on my entry rifle (MS2 with the ASAP Plate). I really enjoy shooting with this setup and have switched most of my rifles to it.

    On my patrol rifle I run the Vickers two point. It's a great sling as well and it allows me to balance out the midlength and UBR very nicely. If I'm on the perimeter it's a good sling for supporting different shooting positions.

    The MS2 does have the capability of converting to a two point but it is not as flexible as the Vickers as a two point.

    The "best" sling is what works for the applications. Those are my favorite two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crh1109 View Post
    I have done the search thing and cant really find what I'm looking for. Just was wondering what type of sling you guys prefer, single, two point, three point? Thanks in advance.
    What type of rifle? What barrel length? What mission?

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    Quote Originally Posted by panzerr View Post
    I prefer no sling, but if I'm wearing body armor I go with a wolf hook. When I'm dicking around at the range sometimes I'll use a two point for ease of slinging the carbine across my back while reloading or what not. I'm a minimalist -extra sh!t gets in the way.
    IMHO a sling is as necessary as sights and a white light. The only time I can see not using a sling is when I shoot from a bench to zero an optic.

    I always use a sling. The whole train as you fight thing and all but YMMV.
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    I use my guns in a world where I have to do things with with my hands- throw grenades, hold the 1 man when a frag goes in, breach doors with various methods from mechanical to explosive, search living and dead dudes, climb ladders, rappel, fast-rope, perform forst aid, search small spaces, run, jump, dodge, kneel, slide, crash, fall, shoot, shoot from the support side, and gunfight.

    A properly adjusted two-point lets me do all those things with a minimum of effort. All of those things can also be done with a single-point, but if you are using a single point, you will have to get a weapon catch of some flavor to do half of the things on my list. Since I will have to carry a breaching shotgun or hoolie about 1/2 the time, I would rather not try to fit too many things under the weapon catch. They also tend to hit dirt before most two-points, though it is still a risk with two-points. I find that two-points are more secure when moving after a transition, though it won't make much difference when you are being shot at. I don't like a single point on anything bigger than about a 12" barrel.

    I prefer the BFG VCAS, but I use the slider differently than intended. My default sling setting allows me to transition to either shoulder to loosening the sling is not a need for me. Instead, I use the slider to tighten the sling so I can keep the weapon under better control when breaching or slinging for anything other than a transition.

    Also a properly setup two-point will transition from shoulder to shoulder faster than a one-point. How important that is to you is your own decision, and I don't put a whole lot of need on it, but it definately is not a detriment.

    Things like wolf-hooks and the like are fine for putzing around, but unless you shoot pistol with your other side (or don't have a pistol) you block access to the pistol (which is not good). To perform other tasks such as in my list above, you will need a weapon catch, but it will be a pain in the ass to actually use due to the way the gun will be stuck to the body. Most cannot transition from shoulder to shoulder. They suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck when using the more effective breaching tools such as a ram or rabbit.

    Three-points are just a mess. I would go into more depth, but I could go on for hours about those damn things. Avoid.

    So I would recommend a two-point for anything or a single point with a weapon catch if you intend on keeping the gun attached to you while you do other stuff. If you just want to walk around the range without dragging the rifle by the barrel, almost any sling option will fit your need.
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    katar's questions need answering. But, for all but limited applications like a subgun the three-point can pretty well be ignored. Without those answers, I find the two-point to be the best, quick, no details answer for almost everyone.

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    Failure, thanks for the input, that is what I'm looking for.

    As far as rifle specs go:

    BCM M4, 16 in, looking for a sling for local tactical carbine matches, 2 and 3 gun matches.

    Thanks for all you guys' responses

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    We got stuck with three points for a while.

    I have very fond memories of those things. The perplexed expressions on my entire platoon's face when they were first issued will cause random laughter in me for the rest of my days. It took forever for people to get used to fitting them. It looked like a three stooges episode at first, with them caught up all over gear, wrapped around necks, stuck in helmets, and so on.

    That will always be a source of amusement for me.

    I wouldn't go buy one today, unless I had a reason to stand around for 12 hours just holding a rifle. They sure were nice for that. Once we had to do other things, they were replaced very quickly with other designs as allowed. They just plain get in the way, when it comes down to it.

    I like the two points, personally, but I've recently ordered that fancy Magpul MS2 and their ASAP plate for it. Will I like it? I couldn't tell you. I hope so, but it isn't that critical anymore for me. I've never even seen one in person, but I caught an OK deal on one on Ebay, and I thought I'd try it out.

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    Single point for me on my work rifle. On patrol I have a holster on my hip and when decked out in my SWAT gear I have a drop holster on my thigh. If I need to transition, I swing the rifle behind me while transitioning. The holsters generally keep the rifle from swinging back to the front while being dynamic.

    I enjoy the simplicity of the single point and ability to transition easily. It can be a little clunky sometimes such as climbing a ladder but it's not a deal breaker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    I use my guns in a world where I have to do things with with my hands- throw grenades, hold the 1 man when a frag goes in, breach doors with various methods from mechanical to explosive, search living and dead dudes, climb ladders, rappel, fast-rope, perform forst aid, search small spaces, run, jump, dodge, kneel, slide, crash, fall, shoot, shoot from the support side, and gunfight.

    A properly adjusted two-point lets me do all those things with a minimum of effort. All of those things can also be done with a single-point, but if you are using a single point, you will have to get a weapon catch of some flavor to do half of the things on my list. Since I will have to carry a breaching shotgun or hoolie about 1/2 the time, I would rather not try to fit too many things under the weapon catch. They also tend to hit dirt before most two-points, though it is still a risk with two-points. I find that two-points are more secure when moving after a transition, though it won't make much difference when you are being shot at. I don't like a single point on anything bigger than about a 12" barrel.

    I prefer the BFG VCAS, but I use the slider differently than intended. My default sling setting allows me to transition to either shoulder to loosening the sling is not a need for me. Instead, I use the slider to tighten the sling so I can keep the weapon under better control when breaching or slinging for anything other than a transition.

    Also a properly setup two-point will transition from shoulder to shoulder faster than a one-point. How important that is to you is your own decision, and I don't put a whole lot of need on it, but it definately is not a detriment.

    Things like wolf-hooks and the like are fine for putzing around, but unless you shoot pistol with your other side (or don't have a pistol) you block access to the pistol (which is not good). To perform other tasks such as in my list above, you will need a weapon catch, but it will be a pain in the ass to actually use due to the way the gun will be stuck to the body. Most cannot transition from shoulder to shoulder. They suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck when using the more effective breaching tools such as a ram or rabbit.

    Three-points are just a mess. I would go into more depth, but I could go on for hours about those damn things. Avoid.

    So I would recommend a two-point for anything or a single point with a weapon catch if you intend on keeping the gun attached to you while you do other stuff. If you just want to walk around the range without dragging the rifle by the barrel, almost any sling option will fit your need.
    Agree 100%.

    Also depends on the users application of the rifle. In a carbine class or in certain positions in CQB work a single point is a good option as you tend to be able to keep control over your rifle with at least one hand, most of the time. However as mentioned in F2S post above, if you often need your 2 hands for other purposes, then a two point has been better for myself.

    I also run a Vickers, adjusted very much the same as F2S, however I do have it set up to be convertible to a single point. I would say that for the most part I run my sling in a 2 point set up about 90% of the time even though CQB would be considered my bread and butter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crh1109 View Post
    As far as rifle specs go:

    BCM M4, 16 in, looking for a sling for local tactical carbine matches, 2 and 3 gun matches.
    Sounds like an adjusting two point like a VCAS would suit your needs.

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