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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLandlord View Post
    Stop me if I'm out of line, or misinformed, but I was under the impression that one of the benefits of a piston-system was increased bolt life.



    This is false.

    In a DI gun, the gas is pushing the bolt foward to keep it locked and this also releaves pressure on the locking lugs.

    On a piston AR15, the lugs take the full load of the chamber pressure and the unlocking of the action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rightwingmaniac View Post
    i own both di and piston guns. the di's are colt and lmt. the pistons are lwrc and pof. my favorite is the lwrc in 6.8.

    most people that dont like the piston guns have never ran one. if they dont own one then they hate on them.
    True, some people might not have any experience with piston guns, but that ain't me.

    I have experience with the following:

    POF
    LWRC (old LW version as well)
    HK 416 14.5 and 10.5 (suppressed and un-suppressed).
    Magpul Engineering drops
    PWS
    Adams Arms


    my lwrc shoots sub moa all day long. my colt (6940)is right around 2 moa. neither one has had a hiccup yet.
    That maybe the case, but that is not the norm. Or if it is the norm, it is because the LWRC (or any piston gun) is heavier to give the barrel more rigidity.

    there is a reason why companies are going to piston. its a better system. its bad when you have people say "you aint using a sbr or suppressor, so you dont need one" as there only excuse.
    Yes, it is called market trend. This is also why 80% of the AR is filled with Chinese junk (as most AR buyers want their AR to "look" a certain way, but don't want to pay for quality.
    The person that made the comment as to why one would need a piston AR is one of the main guys in the development of the 416. His name is Larry Vickers and have forgotten more about weapons than you will ever know.

    when people are given the option on which system they can receive, they go piston. whether it be hk or lwrc. just ask any special forces operator or dea agent for that matter.
    Really?? I can have ANY piston I want. I own none of them. Trigger pullers (that have a clue) want a piston system that was built and designed from the ground up (not one that was shoe horned into another system). This is where the SCAR comes in.
    The HK 416 (cadillac of all the piston guns) is seeing failures in the field. HK orig. quoted that the bolt would live for 20,000rds. This just is not happening.

    its plain and simple... if i can get my hands on what the best want, im a happy man.
    What is clear is that you really do not fully understand what you are talking about. If you like your piston guns, great for you! Just don't try and blow sunshine up our skirts when we know better.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Katar View Post
    rightwingmaniac,

    Your statements do not hold water.

    At M4C we have (among several) the following rule:

    In order to maintain a site that is an effective database of good information, it is best to post information that you have first hand knowledge of. If you are repeating information that you have been told or have read from another poster, it is best to disclose that in the opening of the post.

    As such, when a Staff member, Moderator, Industry Professional or Subject Matter Expert decides to comment here, it is always in keeping with the above rule. All other members are expected to post according to this rule as well.

    Since you made the statement "just ask any special forces operator or dea agent for that matter" I would have to ask you how many of these individuals have you had conversations with about the topic being discussed in this thread?
    listen bud, its clear your letting your individual bias towards piston guns get in the way of your judgement. my statement doesnt hold any water because " i didnt disclose that i was an ex special forces operator or i tag along with my brother to the range with all his dea buddies is comical at best". its all first hand knowledge here. sorry to burst your bubble. and no, im not gonna drop names!!! these people want and deserve their privacy.

    oh and cigrant, you dont know me or what ive been thru. im not claiming to be the equivalent to larry vickers. get over it. you can keep your snotty little posts to yourself.

    i feel like the "top guns" on this site are anti piston. i dont want to get into a pissing contest, but im comfortable saying that i have more first hand knowledge in this area than most of the "top guns" here on this website. some of you should take note instead of flapping your gums.

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    heres a pic of my lwrc, please dont ban me over your hate of pistons!!

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    Wow, this one really turned into a contest
    Last edited by Don Robison; 09-28-09 at 22:50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rightwingmaniac View Post
    listen bud, its clear your letting your individual bias towards piston guns get in the way of your judgement. my statement doesnt hold any water because " i didnt disclose that i was an ex special forces operator or i tag along with my brother to the range with all his dea buddies is comical at best". its all first hand knowledge here. sorry to burst your bubble. and no, im not gonna drop names!!! these people want and deserve their privacy.

    oh and cigrant, you dont know me or what ive been thru. im not claiming to be the equivalent to larry vickers. get over it. you can keep your snotty little posts to yourself.

    i feel like the "top guns" on this site are anti piston. i dont want to get into a pissing contest, but im comfortable saying that i have more first hand knowledge in this area than most of the "top guns" here on this website. some of you should take note instead of flapping your gums.
    Where to begin. First, at least learn how to spell my name if your going to try and call me out.

    Your not equal to Vickers?? Really?

    Most SF guys don't know jack shit about guns and the DEA knows even less. Ever heard of RRA? Ya, I want them picking a gun for me.

    I will humor you a little though, when you were in, which piston weapon were you issued???

    I have no idea why you would believe that you know more about AR's (especially piston flavored ones) than other people on here.

    Do I like pistons in guns? Sure do. Do I like pistons retro-fitted into a DI AR's? No.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rightwingmaniac View Post
    i feel like the "top guns" on this site are anti piston. i dont want to get into a pissing contest, but im comfortable saying that i have more first hand knowledge in this area than most of the "top guns" here on this website. some of you should take note instead of flapping your gums.
    Take a long hard look at the qualifications of our SME's as well as the other rules of the site...including the one about how you have a conversation with moderators and members of staff.
    Last edited by John_Wayne777; 09-28-09 at 23:19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donr101395 View Post
    Wow, this one really turned into a contest
    LOL WIN!

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    i hope i didnt hurt your feelings when i didnt take the time to correctly spell your name. i did my service and im done. vickers is like the energizer bunny, he keeps going and going. i dont have a chip on my shoulder, i can admit when someone else has more knowledge than me. maybe you should too.

    maybe you should take katars advice and disclose the special forces and dea agents "YOU" have had individual conversations with. just for your info, id take my opinion and the opinion of these folks over yours. i know them personally. what makes you more qualified than us? your numerous posts on a website? not likely!!!!

    as for the statement that sf and dea dont know shit about guns is just another example of you spouting off at the lip. i look forward to an apology. i think we deserve one.

    i am stating "MY" opinion about "MY" experiences and the experiences of other people who are still in the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_Wayne777 View Post
    Take a long hard look at the qualifications of our SME's as well as the other rules of the site...including the one about how you have a conversation with moderators and members of staff.
    i apologize for my part. i got carried away. when you get home from a 12 hour shift and find b.s. emails about your qualifications it can be hard to hold back.

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