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"Not every thing on Earth requires an aftermarket upgrade." demigod/markm
True, some people might not have any experience with piston guns, but that ain't me.
I have experience with the following:
POF
LWRC (old LW version as well)
HK 416 14.5 and 10.5 (suppressed and un-suppressed).
Magpul Engineering drops
PWS
Adams Arms
That maybe the case, but that is not the norm. Or if it is the norm, it is because the LWRC (or any piston gun) is heavier to give the barrel more rigidity.my lwrc shoots sub moa all day long. my colt (6940)is right around 2 moa. neither one has had a hiccup yet.
Yes, it is called market trend. This is also why 80% of the AR is filled with Chinese junk (as most AR buyers want their AR to "look" a certain way, but don't want to pay for quality.there is a reason why companies are going to piston. its a better system. its bad when you have people say "you aint using a sbr or suppressor, so you dont need one" as there only excuse.
The person that made the comment as to why one would need a piston AR is one of the main guys in the development of the 416. His name is Larry Vickers and have forgotten more about weapons than you will ever know.
Really?? I can have ANY piston I want. I own none of them. Trigger pullers (that have a clue) want a piston system that was built and designed from the ground up (not one that was shoe horned into another system). This is where the SCAR comes in.when people are given the option on which system they can receive, they go piston. whether it be hk or lwrc. just ask any special forces operator or dea agent for that matter.
The HK 416 (cadillac of all the piston guns) is seeing failures in the field. HK orig. quoted that the bolt would live for 20,000rds. This just is not happening.
What is clear is that you really do not fully understand what you are talking about. If you like your piston guns, great for you! Just don't try and blow sunshine up our skirts when we know better.its plain and simple... if i can get my hands on what the best want, im a happy man.
C4
listen bud, its clear your letting your individual bias towards piston guns get in the way of your judgement. my statement doesnt hold any water because " i didnt disclose that i was an ex special forces operator or i tag along with my brother to the range with all his dea buddies is comical at best". its all first hand knowledge here. sorry to burst your bubble. and no, im not gonna drop names!!! these people want and deserve their privacy.
oh and cigrant, you dont know me or what ive been thru. im not claiming to be the equivalent to larry vickers. get over it. you can keep your snotty little posts to yourself.
i feel like the "top guns" on this site are anti piston. i dont want to get into a pissing contest, but im comfortable saying that i have more first hand knowledge in this area than most of the "top guns" here on this website. some of you should take note instead of flapping your gums.
heres a pic of my lwrc, please dont ban me over your hate of pistons!!
Wow, this one really turned into acontest
Last edited by Don Robison; 09-28-09 at 22:50.
Where to begin. First, at least learn how to spell my name if your going to try and call me out.
Your not equal to Vickers?? Really?
Most SF guys don't know jack shit about guns and the DEA knows even less. Ever heard of RRA? Ya, I want them picking a gun for me.
I will humor you a little though, when you were in, which piston weapon were you issued???
I have no idea why you would believe that you know more about AR's (especially piston flavored ones) than other people on here.
Do I like pistons in guns? Sure do. Do I like pistons retro-fitted into a DI AR's? No.
C4
i hope i didnt hurt your feelings when i didnt take the time to correctly spell your name. i did my service and im done. vickers is like the energizer bunny, he keeps going and going. i dont have a chip on my shoulder, i can admit when someone else has more knowledge than me. maybe you should too.
maybe you should take katars advice and disclose the special forces and dea agents "YOU" have had individual conversations with. just for your info, id take my opinion and the opinion of these folks over yours. i know them personally. what makes you more qualified than us? your numerous posts on a website? not likely!!!!
as for the statement that sf and dea dont know shit about guns is just another example of you spouting off at the lip. i look forward to an apology. i think we deserve one.
i am stating "MY" opinion about "MY" experiences and the experiences of other people who are still in the field.
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