Blackwater USPSA

**Hawkeye** · 03-19-07, 09:10

I know its competition... but I still cringe whenever I see someone crowd their cover.

Looks like a good time though.

**RobG** · 03-19-07, 09:40

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I know its competition... but I still cringe whenever I see someone crowd their cover.

Looks like a good time though.

Huh? Please explain...

**Robb Jensen** · 03-19-07, 13:23

Originally Posted by RobG

Huh? Please explain...

Meaning the muzzle is past the end of the barricade. Fighting and competition are two different things but both use guns. It's kind of like US Secret Service PSD driving and drag racing. Both involve vehicles going fast but they're two entirely different animals.

Our targets were paper and steel the closet being paper at 43yds away and neither can grab the end of our rifles. Gunfights might involve someone grabbing your rifle.

**Hawkeye** · 03-19-07, 14:14

Originally Posted by gotm4

Meaning the muzzle is past the end of the barricade. Fighting and competition are two different things but both use guns. It's kind of like US Secret Service PSD driving and drag racing. Both involve vehicles going fast but they're two entirely different animals.

Our targets were paper and steel the closet being paper at 43yds away and neither can grab the end of our rifles. Gunfights might involve someone grabbing your rifle.

In addition, crowding cover increases your likelyhood of being hit, as bullets tend to follow hard lines. Concrete, brick, and mortar (and metal & wood to some extent) tend to send launch off annoying projectiles when hit with incoming bullets, and it also gives away your position much more noticeably.
Again, its competition, which is why I caveated my first post. Just a cringe factor for me being a fight oriented shooter vs. a competition minded one.

**RobG** · 03-19-07, 22:45

ahhhh... thanks GotM4 and Hawkeye for the explanations!

**Robb Jensen** · 03-20-07, 09:20

When I train, I train. When I compete, I compete.

Here's a pic of me at the carbine operators course at Blackwater last year not crowding cover.

**VA_Dinger** · 03-20-07, 11:30

I have to work and will miss the next BPS USPSA monthly match.

How many of you guys are shooting the big Blackwater IDPA match coming up? I was thinking about signing up.

**rhino** · 03-20-07, 12:17

Originally Posted by gotm4

When I train, I train. When I compete, I compete.

Here's a pic of me at the carbine operators course at Blackwater last year not crowding cover.

Good plan.

There are also probably times when you want to get closer to cover than other times. For instance, if you're behind something relatively narrow (like a tree or column) and you're facing more than one threat, you may have to stay close to it to avoid exposing yourself to one or both if they choose to spread apart. If you stand off from the cover a significant distance, you may give either or both a clear line of sight to you.