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    I'm curious enough that I'll withhold judgment until it gets some real hard-use tests done on it.

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    Anything new on this? Anyone got theirs yet?

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    This might be something to keep an eye on..It looks to be well made with excellant materials, I'm just uneasy about T.B. having anything to do with it.. But, we'll see. It does look promising......

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    It has my interest peaked but I will be interested in seeing how these perform and how well they hold up before I drop any money.
    Love you Pop. F*ck Cancer.

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    I have 3k plus through this one with cleaning every 310 rounds with NO issues

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue7a View Post
    I have 3k plus through this one with cleaning every 310 rounds with NO issues
    Why do you clean it so much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlelebowski View Post
    Why do you clean it so much?
    It's called a
    Firing schedule.

    Give me 3 beta mags and I can destroy anything in the realm of accuracy or function after dumping that amount cyclic.

    All firing was done suppressed for the first 1100 rounds at the rapid rate with NO failures.

    Aside from the ejection port cover, have had NO issues

    When was the kast time you were in a gunfight that exceeded 12 mags hmmm?

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    It's a simple and honest question, asked without rancor, Rogue7a.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlelebowski View Post
    It's a simple and honest question, asked without rancor, Rogue7a.

    Sorry, have not posted in a while and just waiting for the posers to pop up

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    Good comments from scottryan. As to patent things - european companies do not patent everything, becouse patent offices do not patent obvious or something that is generally used for some time and not patent protected (Outside US you in most countries can not patent gereal concepts or ideas, that's why lot of US patents do not work outside US). What could actually HK patent with 416? "M4 that actually works all the time"? Too general. Something specific? They mainly improoved existing design by adding good touch of engineering here and there, some better materials, some modern production processes. Gas system? It's over 70 years old. Quad rail - industry standard. Receiver-rail interlocking/positioning. Come on, aligning parts by matching concave and convex parts is like houdred years old concept. Enlarged magwell? Patent look and shape? They are not Magpul . They just took M4 - checked what is wrong with it, added some customer requirements and cured problems using known ideas and technologies. Exactly what they were supposed to do, when SFOD-D contacted them.


    As to TD-415 specifically, adding mine 0.03PLN from far away:

    No matter how closely copied - it still is not HK. Mr Bailey can shout that he improoves over HK. I'm affraid, that his improovements are in fact shortcuts, when "copier" is unable to follow HK manufacturing standards and make result working. For me looks like exactly all of "improovements" are just excuses . Most funny is comment on "improoved piston" becouse "HK piston fails all the time". Sorry, we have 416s and G36s deployed by elite LE/MIL units here and in sandbox and pistons are not failing at all. Also German and Spanish armies seem not too have problem with G36. 416 piston is exactly same part as used in G36, they are interchangeable.

    Actually when unit or user buys HK, one not only buys (even if does not realize that) "design and patents" (HK does not patent everything they make, unlike US companies) - they buy HK engineering in production process, materials used by HK and technlogies/processes used - remember that HK is also manufacturer of top of the line CNC machines. That's why upgrading/overhauling of british SA80 or L7 (M240 aka MAG 58 aka FN MAG) is taking place at HK factory. I can belive that company such as Benelli can produce shotgun that was designed for them by HK and it works good (Benelli M1), but I don't trust "any random company" is capable of same manufacturing standards just by reverse engineering HK product.

    Several years ago polish Police main counter-terrorism unit learned this hard way (lost lives) when, to save some money, they where equipped with clones of MP5s instead of HK made original. Finally, in crisis mode, this units where equipped with HK G36 (C, K and regular) and now they get 416s "no questions ask".

    BTW Comments regarding TD-415 to be more faithfull to original AK design proofs that Mr Bailey have even problem with basic firearms design history and actuall technical differences of designs. Gas system used on 416 (and G36 and some other designs from different manufacturers) is actually based on G.43 (Gewehr 43) that was inspired by SVT-38 - rifle designed by Tokariev and produced before WWII, and way before Mr. Kalashnikov started to dream about designing AK.
    Montrala

    I'm sponsored competition shooter representing Heckler&Koch, Kahles, Hornady and Typhoon Defence brands in Poland, so I can be biased

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