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    It is funny that people would complain the rail is too high when others are spending $125 to get a Larue 5/8" riser under their optic.

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    To me its just another piston gun. I would never buy copy/replica gun. I don't think these will do to well. The majority of people that I see buying them are guys that don't know to much about ar's and they just think the hk416 is the coolest most bad ass ar you can buy so they will get it just for the cool/show off factor. I think the lwrc's are great piston guns and have a nice track record. If I was to have a lwrc and one of these to choose for free I would no doubt pick the lwrc. By the list of things about how great this rifle is the military should drop every m4 and m16 and get this. This companys ad makes this rifle the best ever made. This rifle should put every competitor out of business. Might as well stop making the 416 cause this is FAR superior to the hk416. I just don't like when companys say how much better their product is than all others and make it out to be the best ever made.

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    It's funny you mention LWRC. I just heard from one of our local Class III dealers that a local security company here that was using LWRC guns got rid of them due to problems they were having.

    I don't think there are enough of them or this TD 415 in circulation to make any real judgements.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magpuller View Post
    To me its just another piston gun. I would never buy copy/replica gun. I don't think these will do to well. The majority of people that I see buying them are guys that don't know to much about ar's and they just think the hk416 is the coolest most bad ass ar you can buy so they will get it just for the cool/show off factor. I think the lwrc's are great piston guns and have a nice track record. If I was to have a lwrc and one of these to choose for free I would no doubt pick the lwrc. By the list of things about how great this rifle is the military should drop every m4 and m16 and get this. This companys ad makes this rifle the best ever made. This rifle should put every competitor out of business. Might as well stop making the 416 cause this is FAR superior to the hk416. I just don't like when companys say how much better their product is than all others and make it out to be the best ever made.



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    Quote Originally Posted by montrala View Post
    Good comments from scottryan. As to patent things - european companies do not patent everything, becouse patent offices do not patent obvious or something that is generally used for some time and not patent protected (Outside US you in most countries can not patent gereal concepts or ideas, that's why lot of US patents do not work outside US). What could actually HK patent with 416? "M4 that actually works all the time"? Too general. Something specific? They mainly improoved existing design by adding good touch of engineering here and there, some better materials, some modern production processes. Gas system? It's over 70 years old. Quad rail - industry standard. Receiver-rail interlocking/positioning. Come on, aligning parts by matching concave and convex parts is like houdred years old concept. Enlarged magwell? Patent look and shape? They are not Magpul . They just took M4 - checked what is wrong with it, added some customer requirements and cured problems using known ideas and technologies. Exactly what they were supposed to do, when SFOD-D contacted them.


    As to TD-415 specifically, adding mine 0.03PLN from far away:

    No matter how closely copied - it still is not HK. Mr Bailey can shout that he improoves over HK. I'm affraid, that his improovements are in fact shortcuts, when "copier" is unable to follow HK manufacturing standards and make result working. For me looks like exactly all of "improovements" are just excuses . Most funny is comment on "improoved piston" becouse "HK piston fails all the time". Sorry, we have 416s and G36s deployed by elite LE/MIL units here and in sandbox and pistons are not failing at all. Also German and Spanish armies seem not too have problem with G36. 416 piston is exactly same part as used in G36, they are interchangeable.

    Actually when unit or user buys HK, one not only buys (even if does not realize that) "design and patents" (HK does not patent everything they make, unlike US companies) - they buy HK engineering in production process, materials used by HK and technlogies/processes used - remember that HK is also manufacturer of top of the line CNC machines. That's why upgrading/overhauling of british SA80 or L7 (M240 aka MAG 58 aka FN MAG) is taking place at HK factory. I can belive that company such as Benelli can produce shotgun that was designed for them by HK and it works good (Benelli M1), but I don't trust "any random company" is capable of same manufacturing standards just by reverse engineering HK product.

    Several years ago polish Police main counter-terrorism unit learned this hard way (lost lives) when, to save some money, they where equipped with clones of MP5s instead of HK made original. Finally, in crisis mode, this units where equipped with HK G36 (C, K and regular) and now they get 416s "no questions ask".

    BTW Comments regarding TD-415 to be more faithfull to original AK design proofs that Mr Bailey have even problem with basic firearms design history and actuall technical differences of designs. Gas system used on 416 (and G36 and some other designs from different manufacturers) is actually based on G.43 (Gewehr 43) that was inspired by SVT-38 - rifle designed by Tokariev and produced before WWII, and way before Mr. Kalashnikov started to dream about designing AK.
    Good post. I had no idea that European patents worked so differently to our own. But then I don't know too much about our own patent system
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    Given how problematic making a piston AR seems to be, I would be more cautious in which one you choose to purchase. At this time, it seems that the HK rifle has proven itself as probably the best design on the market. This is probably due to the combination of factors such as design, materials, and quality control that HK utilizes. Anything less may not be in the same league.

    I'm sure that the TD upper is a quality design, but it just hasn't developed the track record to compare it to HK. If I were to dish out the money for a piston rifle......it would be HK.
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    I'd like a 416 upper, but I think I'd stick to my LWRCi M6A3. It's not had any problems.
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    The website is gone too...hmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by variablebinary View Post
    The website is gone too...hmm
    The post I made in this thread about TD settling with HK and sipping mai tais on a beach somewhere has been deleted...hmm

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    Watch out for the necropost!

    What's the verdict on this rifle?

    Who's got it?

    Who's shot it?

    How's it do?

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    There is no verdict worth giving - it was nothing more than a copy... but you can by the parts they made here ==> http://black-market-parts.3dcartstor...arts_c_13.html

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