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  1. #41
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    As I pointed out earlier, since the rifles are assembled from random sources there is virtually zero consistency, so just because one guy's rifle works fine for 5,000 rounds and somebody else's won't get through a mag safely you cannot attribute success or failure on whether or not it came from the Bargain Bin.

    Tolerance stacking from substandard parts is more likely to become a problem, as with disconnectors/safeties/etc as well as other pin-retained parts than it will be with parts held to a higher grade/lower tolerance for acceptance by the assembler. Small parts breakage will also be more likely due to improper heat-treat and/or lower grade material.

    Does this guarantee that the gun will go tits-up before a Colt?
    Nope.
    But it is more probable.

    Whether or not that makes any difference to anyone else is up to them.
    Jack Leuba
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    Knight's Armament Company
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byron View Post
    I never really understood that sentiment when it comes to a piece like this. I'm not trying to pick on you, it's just that your quote perfectly sums up my confusion.

    In my mind, the primary value of a tool is that it functions. If a tool does not work, or does not work reliably, it has little to no value. So far, the people who are speaking out about the great value of these guns (including those links to other forums), are mostly speaking of their aesthetic value.

    By my count, we have two posters so far with trigger time on one of these guns (unless I mistakenly glazed over others). One had 1,000 rounds without problems before passing the gun off. One, who purchased his more recently, discovered major malfunctions (of a dangerous nature) in the FCG when he was just into his first magazine.

    A tiny sample size for this particular gun, sure, but doesn't exactly fill me with confidence or speak out about their value. Is CMMG claiming to have test fired these weapons before sending them to customers? You'd think that if they were actually testing them, they'd notice SpacemanSpiff's weapon was doubling.

    So in my mind, a carbine that works but costs more still "beats the price" of a carbine that costs less but doesn't work. I really don't care if a gun is covered in dings: they will get there eventually. I'd rather have a scratched up, dented, ugly carbine that costs more but functions perfectly than a cheaper, prettier carbine that may or may not function.
    That's true. But there are also many people using Colts and FNs and other rifles (overseas etc) that experience their fair share of problems as well. A lot of times, the vast majority of feedback you will see is negative. Not many people report the good side of things. Most are quick to point out when there's a problem..

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    Another "bargain bin" fanboy here.

    I got one of the last batch when they were $570. The upper on my rifle has a blueish tint to it, other than that it is flawless in it's fit and finish. I've got just over 2K rounds through it with only one issue. Around 1500 rounds or so I had a stuck caseing, but all this rifle has ever shot was wolf and I didn't own a chamber brush untill I had the jam. I figure 1500 round of what is likely the dirtiest steel cased ammo out there without properly cleaning the chamber is a decent reliability statement for a "junk" gun.

    If it were not for the CMMG Bargain Bin, I probably would not have bought a rifle to start with thinking they were too expensive. I saw the deal posted on another board, figured why not, then started learning about them afterwards (aultho I did a few searches for reviews before buying). They are a great starter rifle, and a great rifle for learning how to shoot and work on one. I've swapped out a bunch of parts, but the FCG, upper/lower, BCG, and barrel all still remain as whatever CMMG had sitting on the shelf at the time and I have no complaints.

    As delivered with a cheapo carry handle sight thrown on.


    Here's how it looks today.


    Is it top tier? Nope.

    Is it a great way to affordably get into the AR platform and build off of? Hell yes.

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