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    Quote Originally Posted by 9mmkungfu View Post
    I haven't seen the Rainier deal. Could you show me where it is?
    If you're on their mailing list, they sent out a customer appreciation special email. Call them up and ask them about it.

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    Delivery of wrong items, not functioning items, on and on. Coupled with wait time like RRA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss Hogg View Post
    What issues have you seen with CMMG that are any worse than other AR manufacturers?
    It's not so much that it's a CMMG (which have had documented consistency issues), but that the bargain bin guns are random collections of parts assembled into rifles. There seem to be quite a few happy customers, though they tend to be low-volume reports. There are probably a few that have had a bunch of bullets through them with no problem.

    Then again, there are some certain issues that arise when assembling random collections of lower quality parts, such as seen in a recent thread HERE.

    I personally would not buy one unless I had the opportunity to look it over and personally perform a part check and function test, as well as having the tools and interest necessary to fix any issues that arise.

    Maybe that $600 carbine will last the rest of your shooting life, maybe it will require $400 worth of parts repair/replacement (a number easily reached considering the price of a quality barrel and bolt carrier group). Some people don't care about having a commercial receiver extension and won't ever change the stock anyway. Plenty of users are happy with a 1/9 barrel since they will only shoot 55gr Wolf out of it 4 times a year. There is a definite application for a cheap plinker. Others might simply decide that it's worth the $400 to get a rifle with a higher pedigree and lower probability of issues if they want it for more serious use.
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    Here are some pics of a recent bargain bin gun:
    http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc...35/m/115104051

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    FWIW, mine looked just as good as the ones in the thread linked above, but my first range outing resulted in slam-fires of 2 or 3 round bursts. its at the gunsmith now.

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    Buy cheap buy twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asolo View Post
    Here are some pics of a recent bargain bin gun:
    http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc...35/m/115104051
    That thread is completely devoid of useful information.

    Other than confirming that the BB gun is indeed an M4-type.

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    This would be a good alternative for cheap:

    http://www.dsarms.com/DSA-ZM4-Forged...info/DSZM4CBU/

    Add BCG and HG for $160, LMT lower for $330, and you're in for under 8 bills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    It's not so much that it's a CMMG (which have had documented consistency issues), but that the bargain bin guns are random collections of parts assembled into rifles. There seem to be quite a few happy customers, though they tend to be low-volume reports. There are probably a few that have had a bunch of bullets through them with no problem.

    Then again, there are some certain issues that arise when assembling random collections of lower quality parts, such as seen in a recent thread HERE.

    I personally would not buy one unless I had the opportunity to look it over and personally perform a part check and function test, as well as having the tools and interest necessary to fix any issues that arise.

    Maybe that $600 carbine will last the rest of your shooting life, maybe it will require $400 worth of parts repair/replacement (a number easily reached considering the price of a quality barrel and bolt carrier group). Some people don't care about having a commercial receiver extension and won't ever change the stock anyway. Plenty of users are happy with a 1/9 barrel since they will only shoot 55gr Wolf out of it 4 times a year. There is a definite application for a cheap plinker. Others might simply decide that it's worth the $400 to get a rifle with a higher pedigree and lower probability of issues if they want it for more serious use.
    I'd agree, and while I'm not in the market for another rifle, the 1/9 barrel would have made it a deal killer for me (I like Prvi 75 grain)

    I just think that too many view the likes of CMMG, Yankee Hill, DPMS, etc as "2nd (or 3rd) Tier" because they're not a "Gucci" brand without giving them a fair shake. I have a 16" CMMG midlength barrel that's been very good, their 22LR conversion kit works, and their 22LR upper works. OMMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbinero View Post
    This would be a good alternative for cheap:

    http://www.dsarms.com/DSA-ZM4-Forged...info/DSZM4CBU/

    Add BCG and HG for $160, LMT lower for $330, and you're in for under 8 bills.
    I went with this option for a KISS M4gery...
    It seemed like a great deal and had all the basic things I was looking for in an upper aside from the 1/9 twist(although better for stabilizing .22lr which I do intend to run)... They are nitrided which I am anxious to try out... 288.00 to my door...
    Upgraded 5.56 bolt from TimW(68forums) and an enhanced carrier of some sort.

    For the lower... DSA also has a special on thier ZM4 lower @ 90.00... get a lpk, stock, bufffer and sss spring and were good for well under 8 bills... Just as it was mentioned above...

    Although not my first choice when I entered the AR world(custom 6.8x43)... I am now finding the need for something more basic as a training tool... no bells and whistles and no erroneous accoutrements yet built to abse...
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