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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    The facts are already out there.

    Do your own research & compare the specs!

    C4
    That's what I'm doing....maybe I'm missing something, but they seem very similar to me.... I not trying to start anything, or stick up for anyone....just trying to learn.....

    DDXV:

    * Lower Receiver: Mil-Spec with Enhanced Flared Magazine Well
    * Upper Receiver: Mil-Spec with Indexing Marks and M4 Feed Ramps
    * Barrel: 16″ Ordanace Grade 4150 MP Tested, Cold Hammer Forged, 1:7 Twist, Chrome Lined, M4 Profile
    * Chamber: 5.56 NATO
    * Flash Hider: A2 Birdcage Flash Hider
    * Bolt Carrier Group: Mil-Spec MP Tested, Properly Staked Gas Key
    * Buffer: H Buffer
    * Sights: Daniel Defense A1.5 Fixed Rear Sight; Pinned “F” Marked Front Sight Base
    * Handguards: Mil-Spec Carbine Length Plastic Handguards
    * Buttstock: Mil-Spec Buttstock & Mil-Spec 5 Position Receiver Extension
    * Magazine: MAGPUL 30 round PMag in Black
    * Weight: 6 lbs!
    * Made in the USA!



    Spike's ST-15:

    Upper Specs-

    -Spike's Tactical M4 flat top upper receiver, Machined from a 7075 T6 Mil-Spec Forging with Mil-Spec Type III Hardcoat Anodized finish, T-markings, our logo and M4 feed ramps.

    -Barrel is Cold Hammer Forged 4150 Chromoly Vanadium Alloy, M4 barrel extention, Chrome chamber and bore, 5.56mm Nato chamber, 1:7 Twist, Magnetic particle testing on every barrel, Phosphate finish.

    -M4 profile with Carbine-length gas system.

    -Barrel is Phosphate finished under the F marked A2 front site base.

    -The M16 carriers are Chrome lined with a Mil-Spec phosphate finish.

    -Forged Mil-Spec carrier key, Chrome lined, attached with Grade 8 hardware and Properly staked.

    -MP tested bolt, Each extractor is fitted with a Mil-Spec black insert and Mil-Spec Viton o-ring.

    -Forged Mil-Spec charging handle.

    -M4 hand guards.

    -A2 Flash Hider.

    Lower Specs-

    -Spike's Tactical Lower, Machined from a 7075 T6 Mil-Spec Forging with Mil-Spec Type III Hardcoat Anodized finish.

    -Mil-Spec lower parts kit. (Works with 22LR, 9MM, 223/5.56, and Many More.)

    -6 Position Mil-Spec buffer tube, castle nut and Properly staked latch plate.

    -ST-T2 Tungsten Heavy buffer.

    -Mil-Spec 17-4 stainless steel buffer spring.

    -Spike's Tactical M4 stock.

    Accessories-

    -Detachable Mil-Spec Forged A2 Carry handle

    -Magpul 30rd Pmag

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    Quote Originally Posted by cevtv View Post
    That's what I'm doing....maybe I'm missing something, but they seem very similar to me.... I not trying to start anything, or stick up for anyone....just trying to learn.....

    DDXV:

    * Lower Receiver: Mil-Spec with Enhanced Flared Magazine Well
    * Upper Receiver: Mil-Spec with Indexing Marks and M4 Feed Ramps
    * Barrel: 16″ Ordanace Grade 4150 MP Tested, Cold Hammer Forged, 1:7 Twist, Chrome Lined, M4 Profile
    * Chamber: 5.56 NATO
    * Flash Hider: A2 Birdcage Flash Hider
    * Bolt Carrier Group: Mil-Spec MP Tested, Properly Staked Gas Key
    * Buffer: H Buffer
    * Sights: Daniel Defense A1.5 Fixed Rear Sight; Pinned “F” Marked Front Sight Base
    * Handguards: Mil-Spec Carbine Length Plastic Handguards
    * Buttstock: Mil-Spec Buttstock & Mil-Spec 5 Position Receiver Extension
    * Magazine: MAGPUL 30 round PMag in Black
    * Weight: 6 lbs!
    * Made in the USA!



    Spike's ST-15:

    Upper Specs-

    -Spike's Tactical M4 flat top upper receiver, Machined from a 7075 T6 Mil-Spec Forging with Mil-Spec Type III Hardcoat Anodized finish, T-markings, our logo and M4 feed ramps.

    -Barrel is Cold Hammer Forged 4150 Chromoly Vanadium Alloy, M4 barrel extention, Chrome chamber and bore, 5.56mm Nato chamber, 1:7 Twist, Magnetic particle testing on every barrel, Phosphate finish.

    -M4 profile with Carbine-length gas system.

    -Barrel is Phosphate finished under the F marked A2 front site base.

    -The M16 carriers are Chrome lined with a Mil-Spec phosphate finish.

    -Forged Mil-Spec carrier key, Chrome lined, attached with Grade 8 hardware and Properly staked.

    -MP tested bolt, Each extractor is fitted with a Mil-Spec black insert and Mil-Spec Viton o-ring.

    -Forged Mil-Spec charging handle.

    -M4 hand guards.

    -A2 Flash Hider.

    Lower Specs-

    -Spike's Tactical Lower, Machined from a 7075 T6 Mil-Spec Forging with Mil-Spec Type III Hardcoat Anodized finish.

    -Mil-Spec lower parts kit. (Works with 22LR, 9MM, 223/5.56, and Many More.)

    -6 Position Mil-Spec buffer tube, castle nut and Properly staked latch plate.

    -ST-T2 Tungsten Heavy buffer.

    -Mil-Spec 17-4 stainless steel buffer spring.

    -Spike's Tactical M4 stock.

    Accessories-

    -Detachable Mil-Spec Forged A2 Carry handle

    -Magpul 30rd Pmag
    I am interested in this also. I have been looking at the Spike's compared to the BCM complete lowers to start putting an AR together for myself but I do not know what needs to be compared or where to research. Looking at the two specs above seem to show about the same thing so what am I missing with the Spike's.

    Thanks for any help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cevtv View Post
    That's what I'm doing....maybe I'm missing something, but they seem very similar to me.... I not trying to start anything, or stick up for anyone....just trying to learn.....

    DDXV:

    * Lower Receiver: Mil-Spec with Enhanced Flared Magazine Well
    * Upper Receiver: Mil-Spec with Indexing Marks and M4 Feed Ramps
    * Barrel: 16″ Ordanace Grade 4150 MP Tested, Cold Hammer Forged, 1:7 Twist, Chrome Lined, M4 Profile
    * Chamber: 5.56 NATO
    * Flash Hider: A2 Birdcage Flash Hider
    * Bolt Carrier Group: Mil-Spec MP Tested, Properly Staked Gas Key
    * Buffer: H Buffer
    * Sights: Daniel Defense A1.5 Fixed Rear Sight; Pinned “F” Marked Front Sight Base
    * Handguards: Mil-Spec Carbine Length Plastic Handguards
    * Buttstock: Mil-Spec Buttstock & Mil-Spec 5 Position Receiver Extension
    * Magazine: MAGPUL 30 round PMag in Black
    * Weight: 6 lbs!
    * Made in the USA!



    Spike's ST-15:

    Upper Specs-

    -Spike's Tactical M4 flat top upper receiver, Machined from a 7075 T6 Mil-Spec Forging with Mil-Spec Type III Hardcoat Anodized finish, T-markings, our logo and M4 feed ramps.

    -Barrel is Cold Hammer Forged 4150 Chromoly Vanadium Alloy, M4 barrel extention, Chrome chamber and bore, 5.56mm Nato chamber, 1:7 Twist, Magnetic particle testing on every barrel, Phosphate finish.

    -M4 profile with Carbine-length gas system.

    -Barrel is Phosphate finished under the F marked A2 front site base.

    -The M16 carriers are Chrome lined with a Mil-Spec phosphate finish.

    -Forged Mil-Spec carrier key, Chrome lined, attached with Grade 8 hardware and Properly staked.

    -MP tested bolt, Each extractor is fitted with a Mil-Spec black insert and Mil-Spec Viton o-ring.

    -Forged Mil-Spec charging handle.

    -M4 hand guards.

    -A2 Flash Hider.

    Lower Specs-

    -Spike's Tactical Lower, Machined from a 7075 T6 Mil-Spec Forging with Mil-Spec Type III Hardcoat Anodized finish.

    -Mil-Spec lower parts kit. (Works with 22LR, 9MM, 223/5.56, and Many More.)

    -6 Position Mil-Spec buffer tube, castle nut and Properly staked latch plate.

    -ST-T2 Tungsten Heavy buffer.

    -Mil-Spec 17-4 stainless steel buffer spring.

    -Spike's Tactical M4 stock.

    Accessories-

    -Detachable Mil-Spec Forged A2 Carry handle

    -Magpul 30rd Pmag
    Spikes used to offer more than one rifles and they did not match up at all. Their new rifles are using DD barrels so they are going to match up pretty well.

    The DD XV is going to give you a better rear sight and a Magpul TG, but that is about the only difference.

    The big difference between the BCM and the Spikes is that the BCM and barrel and bolt are MP/HPT.

    As far as the quality on the Spikes stuff, I cannot answer. If you look around the net, you will see mixed reviews. I have only dealt with their older style .22 uppers (which werer a PITA).


    C4

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    Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Spikes used to offer more than one rifles and they did not match up at all. Their new rifles are using DD barrels so they are going to match up pretty well.

    The DD XV is going to give you a better rear sight and a Magpul TG, but that is about the only difference.

    The big difference between the BCM and the Spikes is that the BCM and barrel and bolt are MP/HPT.

    As far as the quality on the Spikes stuff, I cannot answer. If you look around the net, you will see mixed reviews. I have only dealt with their older style .22 uppers (which werer a PITA).


    C4
    It seems that most of the difference is in the uppers. Are they just about the same in the lowers? From what I have been reading the uppers are the most important part so that is where I would spend most of the money. Not that I would buy a real cheap lower but if I could save a little here and there to get some accessories or ammo, I would. Would you say the LPK's for Spike's and BCM are about the same?

    Thanks

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    One of the biggest problems that I see people having in the gun world is having to have something right now and as a result making a poor decision rather than waiting 6 months or even a year to enact a better one.

    Example: people buying a low dollar AR that fails in major categories of the chart because that is all they have the money for rather than waiting a month, six months, or a year to buy a better one *providing they already have some half decent home defense type gun.*

    For about $150 above your price ceiling you can get a complete BCM AR at G&R.

    In a year from now the $150 or so difference will mean little, but you will be stuck with an AR that is of lower quality.

    If you must buy for less than $1000, take a look at G&R tactical's prices on some S&W ARs:

    S&W M&P 15A for $850:
    http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin...ategory%3DSMWE

    S&W M&P 15MOE for $899:
    http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin...ategory%3DSMWE

    S&W M&P 15X for $912:
    http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin...ategory%3DSMWE

    They may not have a 1 in 7" barrel and perhaps some other features, but overall they are fairly high quality and good buys. I would take them before I would consider

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    Spikes older rifles lacked many features, keep in mind they have not been offering the newer uppers for that long. Much of the rep they have is for older rifles, but I am not all that pleased with companies that get quality parts only after public backlash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slasher View Post
    It seems that most of the difference is in the uppers. Are they just about the same in the lowers? From what I have been reading the uppers are the most important part so that is where I would spend most of the money. Not that I would buy a real cheap lower but if I could save a little here and there to get some accessories or ammo, I would. Would you say the LPK's for Spike's and BCM are about the same?

    Thanks

    No idea if they are the same as I do not know where DD and or Spikes get their LPK's.

    The only companies that I will vouch for the quality of their LPK's are Colt, LMT and BCM.


    C4

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    Quote Originally Posted by superman07 View Post
    Spikes older rifles lacked many features, keep in mind they have not been offering the newer uppers for that long. Much of the rep they have is for older rifles, but I am not all that pleased with companies that get quality parts only after public backlash.
    Understand. I have not personally seen one of the newer Spikes AR's and don't know many people that buy them.

    So we might have to wait awhile before we start to hear of any issues (if ever).


    C4

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    My S&W is a fine weapon. No problems with accuracy, FTF/FTE, or reliability. 600 rounds in with nary a problem, other than the fact that I loaded it down with tacticool accessories and mildly strained my upper back carrying the darn thing for 7 hours on a night hunt!

    KISS is my new watchword!

    Back on topic, a sub-$1000 AR is not a horrible place for a new owner to start. The S&W is a mil=spec 5.56 rifle with a good barrel. Certainly may not seem AS good to those using it more for varminting and paper punching, but it has served me well.

    Building a second AR in SBR format using BCM upper and Aero Precision lower, but the S&W is staying for now!

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