Page 2 of 8 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 74

Thread: S.A.W. reliabilty package ?

  1. #11
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Alabama
    Posts
    2,770
    Feedback Score
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    is there some bone of contention between elmore and LMT?
    I think he only works on Colts.
    http://www.specializedarmament.com/c..._issue_98.html
    Last edited by Thomas M-4; 10-04-09 at 23:28.

  2. #12
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Alabama
    Posts
    2,770
    Feedback Score
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Mjolnir View Post
    Exactly, and I'll not flippantly discount anything he says - or does. I believe ALL systems can be improved - including the AR-15. I notice that his modifications are but we know the weak link in the design is EXTRACTION or what the end user will observe is intermittent extraction. There are many ways to address this problem and I believe many have been discussed and are known. I'm dead certain that ejector spring, extractor assembly, buffer assembly and recoil spring tension is where he "does his magic". What might he do to the extractor geometry is not known but just like with pistols it is a contributor. I also suspect that he checks/verifies chamber dimensions and check the bolt face for being true.

    I'd love to sit and discuss this with him in private.

    PROPRIETARY < That is what is probably going to kill my attempt at finding out exactly what it is he does I like the way Dan Burwell ideas on the matter he doesn't mind showing you or explaining what he does he tells you you pay for his workmanship/skill.

  3. #13
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    1,331
    Feedback Score
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Just as an FYI, Ken is no longer a Colt dealer or authorized armorer.


    C4

    Wow, that is big news. That is like saying Babe Ruth is no longer a Yankee, that is all.
    Cold Zero

  4. #14
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    10,039
    Feedback Score
    1 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by bkb0000 View Post
    is there some bone of contention between elmore and LMT?


    No, he has made his living by pressing the concept of Colt above all other manufacturers. He sell more Colt parts than most other companies put together, and maintains a stock pile of parts larger than Colt (this info is a few years old).

    After going through his Colt armorer courses several times, it was evident that he was not happy with Colt for a few different reasons. He made it very clear in his classes that everything was his, the materials, the equipment, and the knowledge to produce the Colt armorer course, and pointed out several times that he was unhappy with the factory.

    Ken also gives the impression when he taught the course that rebarreling the AR15 is a difficult process and one that armorers will most likely never be able to do on their own. He pushes that any barrel changes should be sent to his shop, and was not willing to discuss barrel changing in any detail in the classes I was in. Other Colt instructors were much more willing to go over the info, and walked the class through the basics, though it was never done as a hands on activity for each of the students.

    Ken is a unique person, abrasive to some, loved by others, and very knowledgeable. I don't doubt that some of his upgrades are items he has in stock, but I would also guess that his attention to detail is in overdrive and bordering on OCD when he does his reliability package.
    Stick


    Board policy mandates I state that I shoot for BCM. I have also done work for 200 or so manufacturers within the firearm community. I am prior service, a full time LEO, firearm instructor, armorer, TL, martial arts instructor, and all around good guy.

    I also shoot and write for various publications. Let me know if you know cool secrets or have toys worthy of an article...


    Flickr Tumblr Facebook Instagram RECOILMAGAZINE OFF GRID RECOIL WEB

  5. #15
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Midwest, USA
    Posts
    8,194
    Feedback Score
    1 (100%)
    Love Ken or hate him, he has encyclopedic knowledge and rare expertise in the system. Ken is a straight talking, no BS kind of guy. If you're feelings are easily hurt, you should not call him. If you need your Colt fixed, need parts, or need to make some obscure configuration work, he's your guy.

    Ken has and does take in other brands for work. Depends on what it is and who you are. It helps if both are top end.

  6. #16
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    VA/OH
    Posts
    29,630
    Feedback Score
    33 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Zero View Post
    Wow, that is big news. That is like saying Babe Ruth is no longer a Yankee, that is all.
    Yes. So I am wondering what AR parts he will sell once he runs out of Colt parts.

    He has not been an authorized Colt armorer for years now (if that means anything to you).

    Ken did not see eye to eye with Colt LE and he was selling certain parts that made them unhappy I think.

    C4
    Last edited by C4IGrant; 10-05-09 at 16:55.

  7. #17
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    AZ-Waging jihad against crappy AR's.
    Posts
    24,902
    Feedback Score
    104 (100%)
    IIRC part of the issue had to do with the lack of support from Colt for the armorers program. I am getting ready to do my recert starting tomorrow and it is being run by Colt. I will report back on it and compare it to the other 3 times that I have been through it.

    Also, I recall a conversation that Ken and I had where he was a little unhappy with some of the personnel being put in charge at Colt and I believe that had alot to do with it as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Yes. So I am wondering what AR parts he will sell once he runs out of Colt parts.

    He has not been an authorized Colt armorer for years now (if that means anything to you).

    Ken did not see eye to eye with Colt LE and he was selling certain parts that made them unhappy I think.

    C4



    Owner/Instructor at Semper Paratus Arms

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SemperParatusArms/

    Semper Paratus Arms AR15 Armorer Course http://www.semperparatusarms.com/cou...-registration/

    M4C Misc. Training and Course Announcements- http://www.m4carbine.net/forumdisplay.php?f=141

    Master Armorer/R&D at SIONICS Weapon Systems- http://sionicsweaponsystems.com

  8. #18
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Aliquippa, PA
    Posts
    28
    Feedback Score
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Just as an FYI, Ken is no longer a Colt dealer or authorized armorer.


    C4

    Grant,

    Ken's website still indicates that they are a factory direct source for colt parts. Also, talking with Ken several weeks ago, he still is a Colt Dealer. He just no longer deals with the training side of things.

  9. #19
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    The Free State of Nebraska
    Posts
    5,427
    Feedback Score
    7 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by variablebinary View Post
    At one time SAW, which specializes in Colt parts, was the only game in town. They knew it, and they acted like it.

    Based upon past experiences, and I am talking 4+ years ago, I'd rather deal with Bravo, Rainier, JTAC and Grant.

    None of those companies deal Colt parts. There is nothing bad about them but, SAW and Brownells still are the only two sources for Colt parts.

    So what is your point?
    Last edited by scottryan; 10-05-09 at 18:04.
    "Not every thing on Earth requires an aftermarket upgrade." demigod/markm

  10. #20
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    10,039
    Feedback Score
    1 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Zero View Post
    Wow, that is big news. That is like saying Babe Ruth is no longer a Yankee, that is all.

    Ken stopped teaching Colt Armorer courses, but thats not the same as him no longer being a Colt dealer. I'm not sure where that info has come from, but is not correct as far as I know.
    Stick


    Board policy mandates I state that I shoot for BCM. I have also done work for 200 or so manufacturers within the firearm community. I am prior service, a full time LEO, firearm instructor, armorer, TL, martial arts instructor, and all around good guy.

    I also shoot and write for various publications. Let me know if you know cool secrets or have toys worthy of an article...


    Flickr Tumblr Facebook Instagram RECOILMAGAZINE OFF GRID RECOIL WEB

Page 2 of 8 FirstFirst 1234 ... LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •