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Thread: KAC SR-15 vs. BCM Middy

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    its not necessary for my to put 75,000 miles on a yugo to know they're pieces of shit..

    KAC is NOT "piece of shit"- they do, in fact, make some really good shit. however, having read/heard a hundred love stories, i've never heard any actual reasons why they're superior. having put some miles on a couple KACs myself, i cannot see how they justify the extra THOUSAND big ones for a complete rifle over any other fightin' gun. i fully acknowledge i might be missing something... so here's the place to educate me/everyone. the URX is a nice piece of equipment, and i really love the kriple kap- but i'm not rich enough to put out $400+ for either. DD/Larue and vortex will just have to remain my "poor man's" options, till i land some multi-million dollar government contract or win the lottery.

    they don't even HPT- III says it's because HPT is too destructive and not beneficial. that goes against the grain of all expert opinion around here, yet it's never brought up. for instance.

    BCM, on the other hand, does everything TDP and is CHEAP compared to other weapons that are LESS TDP compliant. I'd take a BCM over a KAC any day, personally (unless i'm not paying for it- then i'll take the KAC, sell it, buy a BCM and ammo for a month).

    not taking a poop on KAC, just sharing my thoughts. so chillax.

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    Just looking for some relevant, first hand experience, thats all. Too much to ask?

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    We have multiple shooters that have fired production guns to 20,000 rounds. I know exactly what these guns will do at this point. I would feel very comfortable doing a comparison shoot against any rifle on the market to a heavy firing schedule. As I feel the barrel is the main large component to wear out we have strived to make all of the components in the SR-15 good to this point. If you are going to add the features of a SR-15 to a more standard rifle and have the money up front I think the SR-15 is a good choice. If you are going to run your rifle hard and don't want to be concerned about when to replace extractor springs or bolts then the SR-15 is a great choice. We will soon be offering complete uppers and lowers for customers that can't swallow the price of a SR-15 all at once or don't need all the features .
    C Reed Knight III
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    Add up the price of the hammer forged barrel, URX, rail covers, low profile gas block, ambi selector, ambi bolt lock, ambi mah release, 2 stage trigger, qd slng swivel sockets, BUIS, flash suppressor, LMT stock, and E3 bolt and barrel extension and you will see why it costs what it costs. If you can do without those features or only want a couple of them, don't get the SR15E3.
    Dustin

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    I love the dual springs on the on KAC proprietary bolts. But honestly, the BCM would hold up just as well as the KAC. KAC just has alot more bells and whistles for those hardcore super secret ninja operators

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    Quote Originally Posted by III View Post
    We have multiple shooters that have fired production guns to 20,000 rounds. I know exactly what these guns will do at this point. I would feel very comfortable doing a comparison shoot against any rifle on the market to a heavy firing schedule. As I feel the barrel is the main large component to wear out we have strived to make all of the components in the SR-15 good to this point. If you are going to add the features of a SR-15 to a more standard rifle and have the money up front I think the SR-15 is a good choice. If you are going to run your rifle hard and don't want to be concerned about when to replace extractor springs or bolts then the SR-15 is a great choice. We will soon be offering complete uppers and lowers for customers that can't swallow the price of a SR-15 all at once or don't need all the features .
    That sounds like good news.
    My brother saw Deliverance and bought a Bow. I saw Deliverance and bought an AR-15.

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    I recently purchased a KAC E3 upper. I did my homework and comparing the KAC E3 and a BCM middy built to near spec this is what I came up with:

    BCM BFH 16" Middy upper w/ KAC URXII - $1237
    BCM BCG - $ 149.95
    BCM Charging handle - $ 23.95

    That comes to - $ 1410.90 before you add a BUIS. If you add the Magpul BUS for another $55. You are sitting at $1466 before shipping.

    I can assure you I did not pay much more than that for the KAC upper to my door. Both companies make an outstanding product. BCM absolutely takes no back seat to KAC, in fact they seem to work well together not as rivals.

    The arguement of having to overpay for the KAC product just doesn't hold any water. If you can supply yourself with a months worth of training ammo for the difference in price between the KAC and BCM set up simular, perhaps you need a math lesson or you just don't shoot that much.
    Last edited by Al U. 5811; 10-14-09 at 01:16.
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    You are certainly not going to hear any negative statements about BCM from me. I have always said if you don't need or want the extra features of a KAC rifle we are not the best choice. I would say that for customers concerned about resale value we are an excellent choice. I feel that getting more KAC rifles out on the market might negatively effect this. There are things I would still like to do to the SR-15 that would drive the price even higher. We tried to bring the best possible rifle to market at the best price possible.
    C Reed Knight III
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    I have no need for the ambi stuff, so if there was a "stripped" version, perhaps even with standard handguards, I'd be quite interested. At the current price point, other options with hammer forged barrels are much more attractive to me.

    I also don't like the URX rail being non user serviceable. Correct me if I'm wrong.
    Last edited by 87GN; 10-13-09 at 21:36.

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    Yes, you do need an expensive barrel nut wrench and receiver vice to remove and install the URX handguard. However, there really is no need to. If you change the barrel on your rifle, you will have to change the bolt as well since only certain KAC barrels have the barrel extension. If you don't want the mid length 16" barrel in the first place, the rifle either isn't for you or you can sell the complete upper and recoup your investment.
    Dustin

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