CQB Quick Sighting - Green Laser vs. UltraDot Pan AV

[WillieFlo]

I'm not trying to start a one side vs. the other war of words here....Just trying to get info. as to which route I should go in the next step of my DD XV. I've been looking at red dot sights for a while and am considering buying an ACOG 4x32 for 100+ yard shots, but am still on the fence for 1x sighting.
QUESTIONS:
1. Should I go with a red dot sight or a Green laser for CQB and shots within 50yds?
2. I looked at the Doctor Optic and wasn't impressed because of the small FOV. The dot disappeared easily in and out of the window when shouldering the weapon. I saw an UltraDot Pan AV and really liked it because of large FOV, but was wondering how to mount something like this in unison with an ACOG on a flat-top. May be a little difficult. Any Thoughts?
3. In CQB, what's faster target acq. laser or RD sight? Benefits/drawbacks to either? I know both rely on batteries, so that goes without repeating as does relying on your iron sight abilities(Not easy in the dark).

CQB Role of my M4: Mainly for shooting hogs in the head from tree stand in early morning or LATE evenings in conjunction with my Inova Color weapon light. Secondary CQB Role: Home defense(First choice is my Glock 23C with weapon light and night sights).

50+ yard Role for my M4: Coyotes on the run or varmints. Mountain lion if I ever get that lucky. Target practice.

Currently have my DD XV outfitted with a Troy rail system, weapon mounted Inova Color light, TangoDown vert. grip, and a CAA saddle for battery storage.

Thanks for your input. I really appreciate it and need to be knocked off the fence to one side or the other.......

[KellyTTE]

Quality red dot like an Aimpoint T1 (if you can swing the dough) or a C3 if you're on a budget.

Lasers don't replace fundamental marksmanship skills, they are a technology crutch for the vast majority of civ users. For mil and night ops, different story.

[WillieFlo]

Thanks KellyTTE,
Yeah, unfortunately I'm on a strict budget, especially with a new addition to the family coming along in 7 months. The ACOG 4x32 was hard enough to save for. I'm looking for a VERY economical solution in CQB.
I can understand why an operator would prefer a RD sight to a laser to prevent position detection, but hogs aren't that smart and don't spook that easily with Red or Green light..... I was trying to keep my CQB sight within $100-$200.......

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll check out the C3 as well.

[Savior 6]

My opinion is that visible lasers are great for CQB and home defense (indoor and cramped) other than that the RD would fulfill more of your roles.

[Outlander Systems]

I recommend the RDS. Trijicon makes several that do not require batteries, as they're fully powered through fibre-optics which collect ambient light, and tritium.

Seriously, a RDS is the way to go.

Green lasers are extremely dazzling, and quite high on the Neat-O scale, but I've yet to see a truly viable use for one, other than as a backup to your RDS, or a compliment to a magnified optic.

[WillieFlo]

Thanks guys,
Guess I may be "forced" to get both.....One for primary CQ hunting role and one for home defense role later.......Think I'll do the UltraDot first and complement with a Green laser in a few months.......

[Alaskapopo]

Check your local laws using visible light including lasers is illegal for hunting up here.
Pat

[andy t]

Another benefit for lasers as used in CQB: Since they can be mounted much closer to the bore than a red dot, the offset is much less, so you don't have to remember about it while engaging targets at room length.
With a red dot in a lower 1/3rd cowitness, there is usually 2.5" between bore and sight. With a 50 yard zero, you are looking at about 2" offset (between point of aim and point of impact) at 10 yards, going down to 1.25" offset at 25 yards.
Personally, I think a red dot would be more versatile, since I don't see a laser being effective at extended ranges, but for CQB, with training, the laser may be just as good, if not better.

[KellyTTE]

Ok, now I'm curious, all you guys rah-rah'ing lasers for CQB, anytime in a shoothouse or on duty with them or are these just memos from the "Sounds Like A Good Idea" Department? Outside of real life .mil IR use, and the movies you simply don't see a whole lot of 'professional' vis laser use.

So now I'm curious what you're relying on to make these recommendations?

[C4IGrant]

A RDS is always going to be faster than an aiming laser.

Also remember that you have to treat a laser as you would a light (as it leads right back to you). Short burst's followed by you moving offline.



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