Will you vaccinate yourself and/or your family?

I agree that the H1N1 "pandemic" has been overblown by the media for a long time now. I'm not in any of the risk categories and use my hand sanitizer dutifully, don't have any immediate plans to get vaccinated, but I have to ask - what exactly is so bad or risky about the vaccine? What (if any) science supports these supposed risks? I've always put anti-vaccine folks into a category just below the people who claim the moon landings were faked, but I'm certainly willing to change my mind if there is real, credible evidence of problems with this vaccine and not speculation.

On a side note, I can tell you anecdotaly that H1N1 is a very real threat for pregnant women and their babies. The hospital where my girlfriend works has lost at least 3 pregnant women in the last couple months with no apparent additional risk factors.

Originally Posted by dbrowne1

I agree that the H1N1 "pandemic" has been overblown by the media for a long time now. I'm not in any of the risk categories and use my hand sanitizer dutifully, don't have any immediate plans to get vaccinated, but I have to ask - what exactly is so bad or risky about the vaccine? What (if any) science supports these supposed risks? I've always put anti-vaccine folks into a category just below the people who claim the moon landings were faked, but I'm certainly willing to change my mind if there is real, credible evidence of problems with this vaccine and not speculation.

On a side note, I can tell you anecdotaly that H1N1 is a very real threat for pregnant women and their babies. The hospital where my girlfriend works has lost at least 3 pregnant women in the last couple months with no apparent additional risk factors.

I agree with you & I had my wife (pregnant) & infant daughter vaccinated last night. To me, the anti-vaccine crowd are one step away from moonbats who blame 9/11 on our own governement (i.e. - Czar Van Jones). I am glad my family is protected (except me of course - I'll just stick to hand sanitizer until the shot is available for me).

Originally Posted by dbrowne1

I agree that the H1N1 "pandemic" has been overblown by the media for a long time now. I'm not in any of the risk categories and use my hand sanitizer dutifully, don't have any immediate plans to get vaccinated, but I have to ask - what exactly is so bad or risky about the vaccine? What (if any) science supports these supposed risks? I've always put anti-vaccine folks into a category just below the people who claim the moon landings were faked, but I'm certainly willing to change my mind if there is real, credible evidence of problems with this vaccine and not speculation.

On a side note, I can tell you anecdotaly that H1N1 is a very real threat for pregnant women and their babies. The hospital where my girlfriend works has lost at least 3 pregnant women in the last couple months with no apparent additional risk factors.

I think it is a larger symptom of the fact that easy to fix and understand problems have been old-hat for half a century. Issues now are a lot more multi-variable and not more clear cut. Experts in fields don't know everything about their discipline. Does Thimerisol cause Autism, no. Could it, along with other things cause autism, maybe. There are a whole lot of 'maybes' out there and not nearly the resources to run them all down. 'Maybes' become doctrine for some people, especially when large powerful organizations are on place.

I work in health care, here is an update for those that are going to vaccinate.
I received this fax this morning from the Texas Deparment of State Health Services regarding the H1N1.

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As you know the vaccine supply allotted to Texas in early October was much less than anticipated. The amount the entire state of Texas has received was not enough to inoculate half of Montgomery County. Texas is still following the recommendations of the CDC on immunization pregnant women and 24-59 month olds, 5-18 year olds and health care workers, however the amount of vaccine is limited. They are stating that only small quantities of the vaccine were sent to the local county health departments. They also state the vaccine supplied over the next few weeks will continue to focus on the CDC recommendation group (above) and based on current projections, they do not expect sufficient quantities of vaccine for the general public until December or later.

My wife, who's a nurse, got the shot. Our children will be getting free injections at school soon. This flu is running rampant in my rural area and it's in their school already. Myself, I'll pass just because I have rotten luck with flu shots. I let my wife make the family call on these issues. She's seen some otherwise healthy people taken down hard with this flu that otherwise typically don't get so severely ill.

Originally Posted by RancidSumo

I hope they don't. It isn't other peoples' duty to pay for your vaccination.

I'm not sure I agree with that. After all, they have paid for Hep A and B vaccines and even provide things such as my ballistic vest. I think they figure its a good way to protect their investment and keep me and my co-workers on the job.

Nope, I will not be getting it.

I remember many years ago a great class by a retired PA State Trooper on why we should wear seat belts. First he went through the moment by moment crash analysis of a trooper who had died in a crash. The lethal blow had come well down the sequence of events and would never have happened had he been wearing his seat-belt. He followed this with a discussion about how your decision effects not just you but many others and recounted making death notification visits to parents following crashes where their unseat belted child had died and its long term effect on the surviving family.

So with the H1N1 vaccine a persons decision not to protect themselves can have long term impacts on others besides themselves. But you know, sometimes life is like that. If someone decides to roll the dice, take the risk and not be immunized I don't think they should be forced to do so. Even though their decision effects others beyond themselves. It just frees up that vaccine for another person.

However, if someone is offered the H1N1 vaccine and refuses it for no exceptional reason (such as could not afford it, missed the immunization time due to work, etc). I mean, if for no other reason than due to their own conduct they did not get immunized. Then I think they just pulled the Darwin switch and they just may end up removing themselves from the gene pool. If after refusing the vaccine due to their own conduct (similar to a line of duty / conduct investigation in the military) then no medical care, insurance payment (medical or life), emergency response, not even an unattended death investigation, etc. should be made due to subsequent H1N1 infection. I mean even if they're independently wealthy they should not be provided ventilation, medication, nothing. All of that should be reserved for those who elected to remain in the gene pool.

Pretty harsh, maybe, but Darwin and life is like that...

Originally Posted by UrbanRunner

I remember many years ago a great class by a retired PA State Trooper on why we should wear seat belts. First he went through the moment by moment crash analysis of a trooper who had died in a crash. The lethal blow had come well down the sequence of events and would never have happened had he been wearing his seat-belt. He followed this with a discussion about how your decision effects not just you but many others and recounted making death notification visits to parents following crashes where their unseat belted child had died and its long term effect on the surviving family.

So with the H1N1 vaccine a persons decision not to protect themselves can have long term impacts on others besides themselves. But you know, sometimes life is like that. If someone decides to roll the dice, take the risk and not be immunized I don't think they should be forced to do so. Even though their decision effects others beyond themselves. It just frees up that vaccine for another person.

However, if someone is offered the H1N1 vaccine and refuses it for no exceptional reason (such as could not afford it, missed the immunization time due to work, etc). I mean, if for no other reason than due to their own conduct they did not get immunized. Then I think they just pulled the Darwin switch and they just may end up removing themselves from the gene pool. If after refusing the vaccine due to their own conduct (similar to a line of duty / conduct investigation in the military) then no medical care, insurance payment (medical or life), emergency response, not even an unattended death investigation, etc. should be made due to subsequent H1N1 infection. I mean even if they're independently wealthy they should not be provided ventilation, medication, nothing. All of that should be reserved for those who elected to remain in the gene pool.

Pretty harsh, maybe, but Darwin and life is like that...

Since I pay for my health care I will get my health care when I get the flu (swine or otherwise), whether or not I get vaccinated.

I pay for a service, I am damn well going to use it when I need it. Who are you to tell ME otherwise?

You may do so when you pay my health insurance permiums. Until then, STFU.

And no, not only I am not getting the H1N1 vaccine, I am not allowing anyone in my family to do so either.

Originally Posted by dbrowne1

I agree that the H1N1 "pandemic" has been overblown by the media for a long time now. I'm not in any of the risk categories and use my hand sanitizer dutifully, don't have any immediate plans to get vaccinated, but I have to ask - what exactly is so bad or risky about the vaccine? What (if any) science supports these supposed risks? I've always put anti-vaccine folks into a category just below the people who claim the moon landings were faked, but I'm certainly willing to change my mind if there is real, credible evidence of problems with this vaccine and not speculation.

Has there not been deaths directly tied to the vaccinations for H1N1?


-B