Will you vaccinate yourself and/or your family?

Originally Posted by jman4427

First of all, I will admit that I made those comment on an emotional premise and not a logical one. I know that a sample of one can not make a definite conclusion. As for the correlation bit, I know I made it sound like the vaccine caused his illness and I know that is wrong but technically I never indicated the strength of the correlation. It could be weak or non existent which also doesn't mean there isn't a relationship at all. Who knows. There could be other variables that played into his situation that lead to his illness as well.

Also an error in the manufacturing process could have lead to improper inactivation of the virus which can result in a vaccine with infectious particles. This may have happened.

Good discussion.

You mention that 'there could be other variables that played into his situation'.

The major one that I can think of off the top of my head is this: it takes two weeks to get an adequate antibody response after receiving the shot. I don't think doctors 1.) either do a good job of explaining this to patients 2.) some of them are just too dumb to to know how the vax works.

So, scenario then: you get a flu shot. Two days later you are exposed unbeknownst to you. You get the flu. Based upon a temporal association (damn I just got the flu shot and now I have the FLU) you wrongly conclude it was the shot.

I also think that the human body can adapt better by actually being exposed to something that has so many variations per year that science now can not keep up with.

If that was the case, nobody would get the common cold either. There are over a 100 different viruses that cause the 'cold'. If your immune system was capable of adapting as you posit, the common cold would be a thing of the past.

I certainly wouldn't want to try that experiment with Polio, Ebola, or Smallpox.

I certainly wouldn't want to try that experiment with Polio, Ebola, or Smallpox.

Not to shit on this experiment that you would not try, but there was a time when there was no polio vaccine, no small pox vaccine, and there is nothing for ebola even now. Humans lived through all of them and are still living through them, the black plague is still here people still get it but since it is not in the news it obviously stopped 100 years ago.

Originally Posted by perna

Not to shit on this experiment that you would not try, but there was a time when there was no polio vaccine, no small pox vaccine, and there is nothing for ebola even now. Humans lived through all of them...

And many, many people died from them. Exactly what is your point?

I have a tough time taking something for something I don't have, if you know what I mean.

ps - In the health community, they have been told to report every case of the "flu" as "Swine flu," possible making it a "national epidemic?"

Originally Posted by team_brock

I have a tough time taking something for something I don't have, if you know what I mean.

While many don't realize this, taking blood pressure pills or cholesterol pills are two most common examples of taking something for something one doesn't have. It is not much different in concept than vaccine, and millions of people do it. It is called preventative medicine.

Originally Posted by team_brock

ps - In the health community, they have been told to report every case of the "flu" as "Swine flu," possible making it a "national epidemic?"

This is nonsense. We report cases confirmed by testing, not on a basis of flu-like symptoms. This is a transparent data, and epidemics definition wouldn't hold water unless it is proven by tests. So far, there has been about one thousand confirmed cases in Utah alone, and it is not even a peak of flu season, and we don't even test everybody.

Originally Posted by JLM

What exactly are you concerns about your 11 year old? I am curious.

He said 11 MONTH old

Originally Posted by perna

Not to shit on this experiment that you would not try, but there was a time when there was no polio vaccine, no small pox vaccine, and there is nothing for ebola even now. Humans lived through all of them and are still living through them, the black plague is still here people still get it but since it is not in the news it obviously stopped 100 years ago.

Ebola is a pain to transmit and kills too quickly and efficiently. Small pox is gone, unless someone does something stupid, and Polio is almost gone. Go to an old folks home and ask them about Polio.

Originally Posted by team_brock

I have a tough time taking something for something I don't have, if you know what I mean.

ps - In the health community, they have been told to report every case of the "flu" as "Swine flu," possible making it a "national epidemic?"

Are you sure that they are told to treat every case like H1N1, or report it as such?

My family and I are all healthy. My wife and I decided we would skip the vaccine and take our chances.

Originally Posted by eguns-com

He said 11 MONTH old

If thimerosal is the big concern, vaccines have been available in a preservative/thimerosal free formulation for several years now and according to my epidemiologist friend at a local hospital, vaccines administered to infants in the U. S. are thimerosal free. She told me that as of last week, 60% of the kids recently admitted for inpatient care have H1N1 flu. Scary stuff.

I travel all over creation and my japanese customers have expressed concern over my immunization status. They've all but requested that I get immunized before my next trip over, I've got no problem with being immunized.

edit: I forgot to mention that the kids admitted were tested with PCR to confirm the presence of H1N1.