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    Safety Alert! Fumbled Gun Drop It!

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    This could happen to any one of us as an Instructor or Shooter! This was forwarded to me and I wanted you to read it!

    Stay Safe & Shoot Straight!

    Fumbled Gun: Drop It!

    "A local serviceman was killed today after being shot during a training accident." That was the lead off by the talking head on the evening news. Based upon that statement you would assume that the person in question was negligently shot by another serviceman. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen. I watched the television report via the Internet and nowhere in the story were the hard facts about the situation reported.

    However, I am in possession of the facts of the case as the man who died was a member of the parent command of the unit I serve. The instructor cadre, of which I am a part, was briefed on the incident by the command's safety officer.

    What occurred on that fateful day follows. The serviceman was shooting a pistol qualifications course. During one of the stages shooters are required to shift the gun from their dominant shooting hand over to their non-dominant or support hand. This was where things went wrong.

    The man lost control of his pistol, how or why doesn't really matter. It's an imperfect world and stuff happens. Rather than letting the pistol fall to the ground he reached out to grab it. The M9 service pistol was in single-action trigger mode (safety off) as he had just fired two rounds.

    When the shooter grabbed the pistol it was inverted with the muzzle pointing back toward his chest. One of his thumbs found its way into the triggerguard and the weapon fired. A single full metal jacketed 9mm round passed through the center of his chest cutting a vital artery. He died on the range.

    The knee-jerk reaction from some of the safety officers was that this would not have happened if there had been more dry fire or holster training. That just doesn't wash. You don't practice the proper way to drop a pistol with dry fire.

    Two main factors caused this tragedy to occur. First and foremost is human nature. You've been catching objects since you were in kindergarten or earlier. If something starts to accidentally fall, you reach out and grab it. Everyone does this. We're pre-wired to do it.

    The second factor is that, although there was a lengthy briefing prior to commencing live fire, nowhere in the safety brief did the Range Safety Officer ever discuss what to do if you last control or fumbled with your pistol. Couple that with the fact that military personnel are generally ridiculed and often punished for dropping a weapon and you have a recipe for disaster.

    Whether you are an individual shooter, trainer, or range safety officer you must understand and address the dropped/fumbled gun possibility. The issue isn't such a big deal with long guns but when dealing with handguns it is definitely a situation that must be spoken to.

    It is really as simple as this, if you fumble your gun, let it go. All modern firearms have passive safeties to prevent 'drop firing'. If your pistol is too pretty or too fragile to be dropped you shouldn't have it our on the range. Bottom line, we don't catch fumbled pistols. Drop it!

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    Very unfortunate indeed.

    Is it safe for me to assume he wasnt wearing any armor???
    Last edited by BLACK LION; 10-15-09 at 14:35.
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    Sad.

    One problem in the military is the peer pressure to not let your weapon fall and hit the ground, especially in the combat arms units.
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    This isn't the first time this has happened. I remember the same thing happened to a cop a few years back.

    If it's going to fall, Let it go!

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    Rifles are a different matter... eh.. my No. 2 carbine is anything but drop-safe right now- a drop from 2 feet with the selector on semi would probably dump the magazine.

    mines an extreme case, but you gotta catch your M4 if you fumble it... but for PISTOLS, hell yea- let it go. the trigger takes up a WAY bigger percentage of grabbable surface area on a pistol than on a carbine/rifle.

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    Problem #1: Any qualification course intended for basic-level shooters that involves transitioning a loaded (and particularly cocked) pistol from one hand to the other, especially under time constraints.

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    When teaching transitions I always had my shooters practice it dry until I thought they had it, then when we went live it was purposefully at half speed, working up to full speed.

    This would be after I showed them exactly how I wanted them to transition from one hand to the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToddG View Post
    Problem #1: Any qualification course intended for basic-level shooters that involves transitioning a loaded (and particularly cocked) pistol from one hand to the other, especially under time constraints.
    In my opinion-the reason for the transition from one hand to the other should be with the purpose of simulating the hand holding it is now inop.
    What should occur is having a blue gun in the hand and the loaded one on the ground. On signal, drop the blue gun and retrieve the live one and fire. This would simulate the strong arm taking a disabling hit.

    Kind of strange that it's one of the drills in the Hackathorn Standards(absence the blue gun)
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    I have a buddy that managed to put a .357 mag Winchester 145 gr. Silvertip through his thigh, lengthwise, because he snatched at a gun that had just dropped.

    He was incredibly lucky, the bullet entered just above his knee cap and traveled up his leg to rest under the skin of his buttock, hitting only meat.

    Bullet expanded beautifully by the way, to approximately .54 caliber.

    Let the gun hit the deck and pick it up afterwards.
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