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    Question MilTec for Dry, CLP for Wet?

    This past month while I was playing Army, I struck up a conversation with our supply SGT about MilTec. From the tecnical bulletins he's recieved the army is no longer authorizing the use of MilTec, not because it didn't work, but Soldiers were using it like traditional CLP, Goop it on and Fire, VS. the Apply and wipe Dry. Our conversation went even further, MilTec was designed for Dry Climates, like the desert because CLP was still in the Army Inventory for Wet Climates - (Korea, Hawaii, Vietnam...) while MilTec was designed for Iraq and Afghan. As our conversation progressed I realized this was the same thing they told us as they issued cases of it (MilTec) to us. This would be the reason why it doesnt prevent rust as well as other Lubes, has anyone heard this before, I cannot find a solid argument on the Errornet, just a lot of Hearsay and rumor.

    I just went to the MilTec website, and the bottles they show are different than the ones issued, Is there a difference in what we were given, and what they sell commercially?

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    From what I have been able to find out, Miltec was designed to be an automotive oil additive. When it was not successful in that market someone got the idea to sell it as a firearms lube. It was not designed to be used alone and it was not designed for firearms lubrication.

    One of the main differences between an automotive oil like Mobile 1 and a good firearms lube like CLP is the automotive lube is designed for a closed system and corrosion protection is not very important. IMHO corrosion protection is very important in a firearms lube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rutro12 View Post
    WOW!!!!
    Well now I know better than to use the "M" word anymore. I can see that there is a lot of misinformation out there. In the media I mean. This has been a learning experiance for sure.
    I know now not to leave my weapons out in the weather with only "M" on them to protect against rust. I guess since I'm an ol'electrician by trade and have some theory still left in my head I can undrestand why and how some of these new trick enginered lubricants actualy work. And why they work like they do. I understand some folks just don't like change, why bail off a perfectly good horse in the middle of a stream?

    Anyway, all of you guys who replied and do use it......... Thanks for the good words I feel better knowing that I'm not the only one that loves the way it works.

    I can't help but wonder if some of the problems being blamed on "M" are not actualy caused by something else? But I won't even go there .............
    rutro, don't take any of this personally, no one's criticizing you. it's just that Miltec has been around awhile and this discussion has come up before.

    some folks wanted to get to the heart of the matter and ran some tests. their testing showed it lacked performance in certain areas when compared with other products.

    at least one of those tests was performed by an engineer. the opinion piece that I linked to, was written by one of the leading scientists in the lubrication field who is responsible for creating at least a couple of the best performing products in the gun lube industry. I'm convinced he knows what he's talking about. as you hinted, it is possible someone may have an agenda but when I see more than one source saying the same thing, I try let go of my skepticism - at least a little....

    now, I'm not an engineer or a scientist and I can't test any of these products the way others can. and I can't honestly say that I have been able to see much difference in lubricity of the different top rated lubes - not like I put it on and go "WOW! this stuff is SO much better!" - I don't see that. I just go by what I read and hope for the best.

    it is entirely possible that your usage of your firearms will never exceed the performance envelope of Miltec and it never fails you in any way. fantastic! if it works, it works, right? that's what we all hope for.

    anyway, no one is saying you can't discuss the M word. but don't get offended if during that discussion, someone points something out, and claims that there are other products that do the same job better. we're not here to argue (at least I'm not - I've got a wife for that ). mostly, we're just here to learn, get a chuckle, and pass the time...
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    Ra2bach said;
    rutro, don't take any of this personally, no one's criticizing you. it's just that Miltec has been around awhile and this discussion has come up before.
    No, no way I take any of this personaly!!! I actualy did a search or two looking for info on it here and didn't get a hit, so I just had to ask. You are probably right about not shooting enough to exceed the performance envelope. I never got to shoot enough.... ever. And I like to shoot, used to even be fairly good befor the peepers started going, but that just means I get to use better scopes, right?
    If I don't learn something new every day something is terribly wrong. After all if we can't have a little fun who can?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rutro12 View Post
    No, no way I take any of this personaly!!! I actualy did a search or two looking for info on it here and didn't get a hit, so I just had to ask. You are probably right about not shooting enough to exceed the performance envelope. I never got to shoot enough.... ever. And I like to shoot, used to even be fairly good befor the peepers started going, but that just means I get to use better scopes, right?
    If I don't learn something new every day something is terribly wrong. After all if we can't have a little fun who can?
    yeah, I WISH I had my 20 year old eyes. but 35 more years added to that seems to have taken some of the shine off them.

    anyway, I'm gonna hit up my wife to get newer, better scopes on my rifles and if she argues any, I'll just tell her it's your fault, OK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rharris2163 View Post
    I've used it for a while now with great success, but was concerned about the corrosion stories, even though I never experienced it. I use it now as an "additive" to Royal Purple synthetic motor oil (20w50) for lube on all firearms now, in a 3/4, 1/4 mix. The combo stays on as good as Slip EWL. Even after hard use (10 AR mags, 300 rounds) in under an hour, the BCG still looks wet.
    I see a multitude of shooters leaning towards thier own "home brew" like what you mentioned above... I am in that boat too and am currently about to test the Lucas "assembly lube" ICW some other household/automotive product. It seems as if this shyt could be a "stand alone" solution and I will be able to tell pretty quick since I get salty, misted air every morning...
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    Lube and Rust Preventative

    In my government owned basement place of employment, the only solution to rust preventative in our shop was Ballistol. Militec was issued but did not work. We bought the Ballistol out of pocket and it was a 100% improvement.

    As weapons lube, I found FP-10 and Slip 2000 more satisfactory on "wet" guns: Berettas, ARs, etc.

    On my Beretta it seemed like the Militec disipated. No big deal, I cleaned and lubed the gun every payday.

    On Glocks, it was not as critical. Any quality gun lube was fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinder View Post
    This past month while I was playing Army, I struck up a conversation with our supply SGT about MilTec. From the tecnical bulletins he's recieved the army is no longer authorizing the use of MilTec, not because it didn't work, but Soldiers were using it like traditional CLP, Goop it on and Fire, VS. the Apply and wipe Dry. Our conversation went even further, MilTec was designed for Dry Climates, like the desert because CLP was still in the Army Inventory for Wet Climates - (Korea, Hawaii, Vietnam...) while MilTec was designed for Iraq and Afghan. As our conversation progressed I realized this was the same thing they told us as they issued cases of it (MilTec) to us. This would be the reason why it doesnt prevent rust as well as other Lubes, has anyone heard this before, I cannot find a solid argument on the Errornet, just a lot of Hearsay and rumor.

    I just went to the MilTec website, and the bottles they show are different than the ones issued, Is there a difference in what we were given, and what they sell commercially?

    The .mil did a test on dry dusty environments and found running the gun "wet" was better than dry even with the dust factor.

    Yet people still go on with the "dry" for dusty AOR's mantra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLACK LION View Post
    I see a multitude of shooters leaning towards thier own "home brew" like what you mentioned above... I am in that boat too and am currently about to test the Lucas "assembly lube" ICW some other household/automotive product. It seems as if this shyt could be a "stand alone" solution and I will be able to tell pretty quick since I get salty, misted air every morning...
    You will get the gambit from Mobile 1 to a "SGM's Brew". A lot of guys run Mobil 1, but on researching it, it isn't a true synthetic like Royal Purple. It's a little costlier, but I prefer it and the heavier weight, to stay on longer. I also came across a couple of quarts of some old school LSA, cheap, which I thought was pretty good lube back then. I should be set on lube for quite a while.
    Last edited by RogerinTPA; 10-23-09 at 23:51.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinder View Post
    This past month while I was playing Army, I struck up a conversation with our supply SGT about MilTec. From the tecnical bulletins he's recieved the army is no longer authorizing the use of MilTec, not because it didn't work, but Soldiers were using it like traditional CLP, Goop it on and Fire, VS. the Apply and wipe Dry. Our conversation went even further, MilTec was designed for Dry Climates, like the desert because CLP was still in the Army Inventory for Wet Climates - (Korea, Hawaii, Vietnam...) while MilTec was designed for Iraq and Afghan. As our conversation progressed I realized this was the same thing they told us as they issued cases of it (MilTec) to us. This would be the reason why it doesnt prevent rust as well as other Lubes, has anyone heard this before, I cannot find a solid argument on the Errornet, just a lot of Hearsay and rumor.

    I just went to the MilTec website, and the bottles they show are different than the ones issued, Is there a difference in what we were given, and what they sell commercially?
    Here is why I believe all of that to be nonsense. If you go to Militec-1's website, or read their brochures you will find that they claim their product has 3 times the corrosion protection than military issue CLP, that it will protect for up to two years. the whole wiping dry thing is an exaggeration that users have come up with. The instructions state that you can wipe it dry and it will still protect. Not that you are supposed to wipe it dry. There's a big difference there. Of course either way it's crap as it just doesn't work. It doesn't prevent fouling buildup like they claim. I've tested this on various weapons, M16A1, M16A2, M16A4, M4, M249, M60, and M240. Nor are you able to just wipe it clean without using any solvent or clp as they claim.
    they say application is a two step process. Apply, then fire it to heat it up. The whole heat gun, or place it in the sun, or whatever is the alternate option if firing isn't going to happen soon.
    www.militec-1.com
    It implies that it would work in Vietnam.

    DRY AND CONSTANT LUBRICATION
    PREVENTS JAMMING
    MINIMAL MATERIAL BUILD-UP
    INHIBITS CORROSION
    LONG LASTING
    HIGHLY CONCENTRATED
    EASIER CLEANING

    Benefits of MILITEC-1:

    Helps prevent jamming;
    Reduces bore wear;
    Provides excellent rust protection;
    Reduces corrosion, carbon and lead build-up;
    Remains on the metal even after repeated firing - - a minimum of 1,000 rounds;
    Is highly concentrated and long-lasting. One ounce of MILITEC-1 surpasses eight ounces of CLP-type lubricants;
    Prevents material build-up since the metal remains constantly lubricated and protected which helps shield against fouling cementing to the metal;
    Makes weapons cleaning easier after treatment since the conditioning results in a 90% friction reduction to the impregnated, constantly-lubricated moving metal parts and does not allow the fouling to cement to the metal surfaces as easily. In working and passive metal parts of the weapon, cleaning time is reduced by more than 50%.
    Once treated, MILITEC-1 is the only product required for the maintenance and operation of weapons.


    MILITEC-1 makes firearms much easier to clean. Since MILITEC-1 seals metal surfaces, fouling and other residue do not build up as quickly. In most cases, a weapon can simply be wiped clean with little effort. This saves a lot of time and frustration and makes cleaning almost fun.

    MILITEC-1 is ideal for firearms that are exposed to harsh weather conditions. After proper application, a light coat of MILITEC-1 is highly corrosion resistant - approximately three times more effective in preventing rust than MilSpec CLP. This will cut down on damage caused by damp weather, and makes MILITEC-1 especially useful for firearms carried on motorcycles, bicycles or boats.


    It's a freaking engine oil additive they are marketing for firearms. The words of the "tech" I spoke to a few years back when I asked about it, "it's the same stuff in the bottle." I was wondering about getting it at about 25-50% of the cost by buying it in 12 and 24 ounce bottles at the auto parts store instead of about $4 an ounce in the gun store. Same results with either packaging though. Crap product. If it were standard military issue, people would be saying how much it sucks and we should be using something else instead. That whole, issued items are junk belief that has existed since someone felt their sling stones weren't round enough.

    There's also this, http://gao.gov/new.items/d09735r.pdf
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