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    Kreiger Mod0



    with D-760 GenIII NV scope



    Douglas Mod1 style with DD 13.5 & TA55A

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    Mod 1.

    And the parts aren't hard to find if you know where to look.


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    I'm building a SPR as one of my projects - I wasn't going to track all proper parts to build an either Mod 0 or Mod 1 clone but simply a Paulinski's version of SPR.

    Here are the specifications.

    1) 18" White Oak SPR Profile Barrel Midlength Gas, Coated Black with fitted LaRue gasblock by Jason @ JTAC
    2) Viltor MUR Upper
    3) Headspaced CMT Bolt and Youngs Ionbonded carrier from MSTN
    4) Daniel Defense 13.5" Rail
    5) Stag Lower with Geissele Match Hi Speed Trigger.
    6) Leupold Mark 4 3-9X36 TMR Reticle in LaRue SPR Mount.
    7) Troy Front and Rear Buis

    Still building it so I can't comment on accuracy but I plan to feed it steady diet of 77 grain SMK's

    Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by VA_Dinger View Post
    If your hearts truly set on a 18" barreled SPR I would stick to the Mod1. While I personally love the looks of the classic Mod0's PRI forearm and ARMS top adapter rail it is now a dinosaur. It has way too many individual parts, un-needed weight, and screws that can loosen up on you. You would be much better off in the long run building a Mod1. It is a much cleaner, lighter, and simpler design. Just substitute the expensive and hard to find KAC parts for Daniel Defense, Tango Down, Troy, and LaRue parts. The Noveske 18" SPR Barrel would also be perfect for this project.
    Sorry Dinger, but what you describe is a Mk12 Mod ABC.
    For collector and authenticity sakes, you need the proper KAC parts.
    Now granted, we all can not dublicate the M16A1 lowers that Crane uses for the real deal, but if it was me, I'd go out of my way to have as much as I could of the real real. And our long FF RAS from the Mod 1's are availalble. So are the proper Mod 1 iron sights, etc.
    ColdBlue sends...
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    Quote Originally Posted by coldblue View Post
    For collector and authenticity sakes,.....................
    Well, is this not interesting, the topic of collecting and authenticity, right up my alley.

    Quote Originally Posted by coldblue View Post
    Sorry Dinger, but what you describe is a Mk12 Mod ABC.
    For collector and authenticity sakes, you need the proper KAC parts.
    ......................., I'd go out of my way to have as much as I could of the real real. And our long FF RAS from the Mod 1's are availalble. So are the proper Mod 1 iron sights, etc.
    Agreed, my MK12 MOD1 project has been sitting in a box for years while collecting parts here and there. The new availability of the front sight sure helps.

    Quote Originally Posted by coldblue View Post
    Now granted, we all can not dublicate the M16A1 lowers that Crane uses for the real deal,
    Yep, but some of the older Coal Valley Eagle Arms lowers were made from A1 forgings, and I had one set aside for my project. Recently sold my lower because NDS is introducing new production lowers made from proper forgings:

    http://www.nodakspud.com/AR%20Lowers.htm

    Quote Originally Posted by bigbore View Post
    Check it out, this rifle has the correct buttstock. Can't think of another example. And of course the lower is a nice touch.

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    My SPR type upper was built with the best parts I could think of/wanted/get my hands on with the emphasis on shooting, not collecting an original or as close as I could get. Buttttttt, now you guys have me curious d*&n you.

    I know I have the "wrong" KAC rail (mine says M4 Match) but that's easy to change so two questions:

    -What are the correct Mod 1 sights?
    -What is the correct buttstock?

    OK, one more:

    -And where can I get them, if I can at all. Thanks.
    "No you don't, sunshine"

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    Quote Originally Posted by cohiba View Post
    My SPR type upper was built with the best parts I could think of/wanted/get my hands on with the emphasis on shooting, not collecting an original or as close as I could get. Buttttttt, now you guys have me curious d*&n you.

    I know I have the "wrong" KAC rail (mine says M4 Match) but that's easy to change so two questions:

    -What are the correct Mod 1 sights?
    -What is the correct buttstock?

    OK, one more:

    -And where can I get them, if I can at all. Thanks.
    Good news, "M4 Match" is correct. Only a small number of these "rifle length 5.56 FF Rails were marked "SNIPER." 99% of the hundreds we have shipped to Crane are marked M4 MATCH.
    Mod 1 front sight is P/N: 99051. Rear sight is 98474. They also buy the bipod adapter P/N: 98060.
    Buttstock should be an M16A1 length/type as pictured above. I bought mine from the Military Surplus store a few miles outside the main gate at Crane, Indiana. This was a great find because it has the real-deal original buttcap like the M16A1 I had in Viet-Nam.
    ColdBlue sends...
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    Former (now retired) VP MilOps @ Knight's Armament Company (KAC) (1994-2012)
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    10-roger, thank you sir. I'll probably fall a little short but it will be fun trying, Good news on the rail and Sweet Baby Jesus the correct sights are there too.










    "No you don't, sunshine"

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    I'm putting together what I've been calling a "MK12 Mod a" for a year now.
    Assembling parts as I can, and putting them in a box... Just like a lot of other folks here.
    The lower is done... I'm just waiting on the custom upper.

    Got an email from LaRue that my upper shipped today, so I should have photos soon.

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    I'm a huge fan of the quasi-Mod3 type uppers that Wes turns out at MSTN.

    18" Barrel
    OPS Inc. Brake, Collar (shouldered for the 12th or 16th)
    13.2" LT Handguard
    VLTOR Gas Block
    MUR or Stealth Upper
    PRI Gas Buster
    TROY BUIS
    LT SPR(E) Mounted TS30A2 Clone

    My 18" is slowly evolving into this - it's about 4 parts away.
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    کله چی سلاح منع شوی دی، یوازي غلوونکۍ یی به درلود
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