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Thread: M4 Carbine Recoil too strong

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    I doubt you'll find very many of the knowledgeable folks here who consider the name Del-Ton to be synonymous with the term quality. In any case, give the things that have been suggested a try as you'll likely find the solution.
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    UPDATE -

    I just received my SpringCo XP Red carbine buffer spring. The first thing I noticed is it was longer than the carbine spring in my M4 (the CAA spring). Much stiffer too (obviously). It was about 1.5 to 2 inches shorter than the XP spring.

    It is obvious that there was an issue with my spring. So we will see how it turns out with the H3 and the XP spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XCRFan View Post
    UPDATE -

    I just received my SpringCo XP Red carbine buffer spring. The first thing I noticed is it was longer than the carbine spring in my M4 (the CAA spring). Much stiffer too (obviously). It was about 1.5 to 2 inches shorter than the XP spring.

    It is obvious that there was an issue with my spring. So we will see how it turns out with the H3 and the XP spring.
    Yeap,the CAA buffer springs supplied in their crappy butt stock/RE kits are simply,flat out junk.Saw two recently at the range some local fudds had on new builds that were well below spec in under 500 rounds behind DPMS 6.8 SPC's.One was so weak/huge amount of spring set that it would not feed or lock the BCG in battery.
    Then another that was too long(straight out of the kit bag) and coil stacked causing fail to lock open on a empty mag.
    So yeah I'd say the CAA buffer spring is highly suspect.
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    We have discussed CAA here before. I was going to comment about that previously, but sometimes it is better for people to learn the hard way. I am interested to hear how it shoots now.



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    A quick little story...

    I was at the local shooting hole enjoying my day and watching a young lad beside me shooting his new AR. I noticed that he would take a step back every time he fired it and it looked like it was kicking the crap out of him.
    My curiosity peaked!

    I made some polite conversation... the usual hey that's a nice looking gun conversation.
    He asked if I would like to shoot it...
    Sure I say...
    Holy Lord almighty... I thought I'd lost a limb. I set him up with my 6921 and said here try this.

    He couldn't believe how "soft" my Carbine funtioned.

    After talking to him a bit about the fact that his rifle was running incorrectly he decided that he'd like me to check it over.

    Ammo- ok
    Barrel- ok
    upper- ok
    Bolt assembly- ok
    Hmmmmm.... what's this in the extension behind the carbine buffer...
    Oh' hell... its a RIFLE SPRING, or at least what used to be a rifle spring.
    Damn buffer was bottoming out on that rifle spring and sending a hell of a shockwave to the shoulder.

    I reached into the range box and pulled out a new carbine spring and installed it.
    Problem solved. The lad couldn't believe the difference in his rifle. I made a friend that day.
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    I went to the range today. Fired about 100 rounds, and the rifle is accurate as hell. At 50 yards with a compM3 4MOA sight I had sub MOA groups.

    However, I still have a pretty strong recoil. My only culprit left I can think of as being the problem is the gas port. So I am looking at buying a JP Enterprises Adjustable A2 Gas Block.



    I have checked Brownell's, MidwayUSA, and a few other places. I even googled it for places that may have it in stock.

    Does anyone know where I can get one? I even looked on GB with no luck. Or does anyone know of another company that makes adjustable gas blocks?

    Thanks for any help.

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    In all seriousness. If the recoil is too much for you, then the AR platform is not for you. Stick with your XCR.

    Quote Originally Posted by XCRFan View Post
    I went to the range today. Fired about 100 rounds, and the rifle is accurate as hell. At 50 yards with a compM3 4MOA sight I had sub MOA groups.

    However, I still have a pretty strong recoil. My only culprit left I can think of as being the problem is the gas port. So I am looking at buying a JP Enterprises Adjustable A2 Gas Block.



    I have checked Brownell's, MidwayUSA, and a few other places. I even googled it for places that may have it in stock.

    Does anyone know where I can get one? I even looked on GB with no luck. Or does anyone know of another company that makes adjustable gas blocks?

    Thanks for any help.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    In all seriousness. If the recoil is too much for you, then the AR platform is not for you. Stick with your XCR.
    I'm with Iraqgunz here. How is it possible that in ANY configuration of BCG, buffer spring, buffer weight, that the recoil impulse from a .223 is so strong that you cannot make effect doubles at 25yards? Especially someone that has had trigger time and formal training behind the trigger of an M4 and a MK18?

    I can double tap targets with a .308 para FAL that only weighs 8lbs at that range... something is not right here.

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    First of all, that is straight out rude and uncalled for. Second, it is not that the AR recoil is "too" strong for me. I can handle it just fine. It is just that the recoil for my M4 is just stronger than where it should be, implying that something in not correct with it. I am former military (GM1/SWCC/SW) and I had had extensive time and many thousands of rounds with the M4 and the MK18. The recoil on my M4 is much stronger than any of those I used

    Instead of being rude and unhelpful, why don't you provide some kind of idea as to what could be causing the excessive recoil? For example, perhaps you could help me out and suggest a possible idea instead of berating someone.

    If I somehow mistook your reply as an insult while it was not meant to be, then please disregard part of my reply.
    Last edited by Evil Bert; 11-08-09 at 19:05.

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    I didn't call you gay dude, relax. You have Iraqgunz and I confused here. You said:
    Quote Originally Posted by XCRFan View Post
    I cannot double tap and hit a man sized target at 50 yards. I can barely double tap and hit the same target at 25 yards.
    Any ideas?
    I don't care what 5.56 rifle you are firing that is a problem that you will not fix with an adjustable gas port. Sure ARs recoil, and guys are more and more using brakes, comps and changing the configuration of the reciprocating mass. However, the only thing I can conclude is that you are exaggerating the effect of the recoil.

    My wife can double tap an FAL and hit a man sized target at 25 yards and she wasn't former military (GM1/SWCC/SW)...

    Maybe your gas port it too large, what else can it be? I have a 16" midlength, that has a milder recoil impulse than my MK18 clone but there is no way that my LMT 10.5" with any spring, BCG, or what not could prohibit an experienced shooter from making good doubles on a man sized target at 25yards.

    Cameron
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