Need AWB Info...

**Razorhunter** · 03-01-07, 18:21

Guys,
I would like to get a few facts straight regarding the AWB of years past.
When I asked a couple guys on another forum, about what all the AWB prohibited, they replied with the following:

" The AWB Banned the Following:

-Banned production of magazines that held more than 10 rounds after 9/13/94

-Banned production of "assault weapons", as defined by a semiautomatic firearm that exhibited more than two of the following characteristics:

1. Folding or telescoping stock,
2. Bayonet lug/mount
3. Pistol grip extending "conspiciously" below the receiver
4. Flash suppressor or threaded barrel
5. Grenade Launcher" - (not quite sure what they were saying here? Did they mean you can no longer own an M203 even if you had a DD license?

-Keep in mind I was asking mainly about how the AWB affected rifles, and NOT handguns or shotguns.

Anyhow, I would like to know exactly how bad it's going to suck, if I must own a "ban compliant" AR15???? I mean, I can live without a bayonet lug, and I don't worry about Grenade Launchers anyway (although I'm not quite sure how the AWB affected M203's anyhow. What does #5 above mean?).
SO, that leaves me to be concerned with #'s 1, 3, and 4 above.
Now IF it is true that the AWB banned semi autos with TWO OR MORE of the above characterisitcs, then that means that I can have my folding stock, and flash suppressor, but I can NOT have a "pistol grip that hangs down conspicuously"????
Is this correct???

Can someone please shed light here? Granted, I realize that ANY ban is a BAD ban, but it's actually not as bad as I thought it would be, IF the above is true.
It also depends on what exactly #3 above means??? Define "conspicuously"...
Do they mean ANY pistol grip, as even the REAR one, or did they mean something like a TangoDown vertical foregrip????

**tikkafan** · 03-01-07, 18:59

# 5 refers to muzzle mounted grenade launchers. Like on on a Yugo SKS.

The last ban was cosmetic, you could buy a fixed stock AR-15 that had no flash hider or bayonet lug legally.

The new one would ban anything semi-auto that has a pistol grip. Basically mandating what California has done.

**Razorhunter** · 03-01-07, 19:02

How do you know this about the new ban, my friend??? Just curious?

I admit, we are all probably a bit suspicious that the new ban will be a bit more harsh, but you speak like you KNOW...
Please advise kindly sir...

**adobewalls** · 03-01-07, 19:45

Several gun related forum sites have posted the text that has been drafted and have running commentary on what is being tabled. Such as:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=256516

Or the actual language if the above is not in good form on this board:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...bill=h110-1022

The bottomline is the anti's learned a bit from the last go 'round and are throwing everything they can think of into the proposed bill.

Now the bill is by no means final. If it were to progress through the legislative process, some of the language would be negotiated as it would need to be acceptable to both houses of congress (and probably the Whitehouse) to become law - but we do not know what the results of those negotiations would be at this time.

Also, the last gate would be the President's pen and whether he would lift it to sign the bill or veto it.

**Razorhunter** · 03-02-07, 15:15

Hey bro,
The second link you posted doesn't work. If it's only temporary, please disregard, otherwise, can you repost???
Thanks so much...

STILL looking to hear from ANYONE on this forum who might be able to even take a GUESS as to HOW LONG it is until another AWB might be passed???

Does ANYONE have even a "half-educated" guess?????

Someone's GOT to know something...

**tikkafan** · 03-02-07, 15:36

I doubt anyone around here has privileged information on a new AWB ban.

But if Congress passes it, Bush will sign it. He's said so in the past. Like father, like son.

Buy some stripped lowers, the serial numbers are dated by the factory. They will be grandfathered in a potential ban. The constitution protects us with against Ex Post Facto i.e. making something a crime after the fact. This is why machineguns made before 1986 are still legal to own. Though congress can still pass laws that regulate commerce, which is why you have to pay a transfer tax to own said machinegun.

**Razorhunter** · 03-02-07, 15:50

Yeah thanks bro, I'm fully aware that we all are not going to have to sell off all our guns that we already own, just because of a ban. If you read my original post, down at the bottom, you'll see that my whole request for a timeframe here, is because I need to know how long I've got, so I can figure out how many purchases I'll be able to make before the next ban goes into affect.
Furthermore, I know that serial #'s will show that all of our existing guns are "pre-ban", so we will be able to keep them.

Anyhow, I realize no one knows for sure, but I was just thinking someone here might have an educated guess, as to when the next ban will be passed (if it is). You can understand that, right?

Thanks so much.