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    Quote Originally Posted by Magsz View Post
    With enough training, operating the safety is an unconscious motion.

    I really dont see what the problem with applying an extra level of security is?

    Seriously, that whole "hoot" comment from BHD always drove me nuts. "This here's my safety".

    Get the hell over yourself...

    Thats like driving a 2010 corvette without the power steering simply because you're "strong" or "awesome" enough to handle it.
    I knew the whole BHD thing would come up

    Hope that wasn't aimed at me, as I stated that I was willing to learn new tactics. I just haven't been given a viable reason to safety my gun it it's up, and there is still a possible threat.

    ETA: Guns are not cars and never will be, so can we please end the ridiculous comparisons.
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    It was not aimed at anyone and the BHD reference is a stupid one but people CONSTANTLY refer to it as it exemplifies some sort of elitist attitude where the "operator" is too cool for school so to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magsz View Post
    It was not aimed at anyone and the BHD reference is a stupid one but people CONSTANTLY refer to it as it exemplifies some sort of elitist attitude where the "operator" is too cool for school so to speak.
    I agree completely.

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    Not sure who these guys are exactly but note how and when the safety is activated on the M4s - they are very consistent... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SOUUp79nWg
    Last edited by grunz; 11-01-09 at 23:17.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    There's too much switching to safe going on in my opinion.

    I couldn't believe what I was seeing when I saw footage of BUDS training for seals and the instructors made the shooters switch the safety on before moving to the next, immediate shooting location.

    Come ON! Do you trust these guys to be here or not?

    The AR isn't drop safe so you're gaining nothing by constantly thumb ****ing the safety.... assuming you have a shooter who has trigger finger discipline. And if a shooter doesn't have trigger finger discipline, then the safety is a false sense of safety for a dangerous person anyway.

    If my rifle is deployed, in my hands for any reason... the safety is OFF! I only put the safety on if I'm separating myself from the weapon... or at the specific direction of an instructor to go "on safe and let 'em hang".
    I disagree. When you are doing anything but shooting your safety should be on. The safety being engaged and disengaged should be muscle memory not a cognitive thought. And further more I would not want you behind me on a gun call with your safety off in the stack no way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    There's too much switching to safe going on in my opinion.

    I couldn't believe what I was seeing when I saw footage of BUDS training for seals and the instructors made the shooters switch the safety on before moving to the next, immediate shooting location.

    Come ON! Do you trust these guys to be here or not?
    To me the constant safety awareness/manipulation is discipline.
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    This article from Paul Howe may assist the OP:

    http://www.combatshootingandtactics....pon_safety.PDF

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    As usual, great info.

    UVvis- No, I am not left handed.
    Dunderway, I have the "Ergo Grips", too large?

    Rob, Yes I will attend a Gunsite carbine course in 2010. I have taken pistol classes and really look forward to some long hours with my black rifles.

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    Papabear,

    I would get proficient in using the standard safety with your firing right hand thumb and practice in dryfire. Also remember to ride the safety with your thumb when its engaged so you're aware of it always.

    EMPTY GUN - NO AMMO IN THE ROOM

    1) Start low ready - safety ON - thumb riding safety.
    2) Find a target
    3) Gun up - safety OFF.
    4) Say bang, bang! (dont press trigger as AR cant be safetied on dropped hammer)
    5) Gun down - safety ON.
    6) Start over then x200 times. Your wife/GF will think ur nutz but it will become second nature.

    Only once I got this down with std safety did I play with ambi safety to see if its worthwhile - jury still out on that
    Last edited by grunz; 11-02-09 at 02:19.

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    "6) Start over then x200 times. Your wife/GF will think ur nutz but it will become second nature."

    Too Late
    Last edited by Pappabear; 11-02-09 at 09:40.

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