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    I like an ambi safety for a couple of reasons. As a righty, on a carbine, I use the ambi to re-engage the safety as mentioned above, it allows me to keep my position on the weapon much better even for that brief moment. Two, when I use a gas gun (SPR type) from a precision shooting standpoint, I do not wrap my thumb around the hand grip so I prefer the ambi safety.

    Edit - as for being able to do the manipulations, practice practice practice. Dry fire, or simple on target / off target drills as mentioned, works wonders here also.
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    There's too much switching to safe going on in my opinion.

    I couldn't believe what I was seeing when I saw footage of BUDS training for seals and the instructors made the shooters switch the safety on before moving to the next, immediate shooting location.

    Come ON! Do you trust these guys to be here or not?

    The AR isn't drop safe so you're gaining nothing by constantly thumb ****ing the safety.... assuming you have a shooter who has trigger finger discipline. And if a shooter doesn't have trigger finger discipline, then the safety is a false sense of safety for a dangerous person anyway.

    If my rifle is deployed, in my hands for any reason... the safety is OFF! I only put the safety on if I'm separating myself from the weapon... or at the specific direction of an instructor to go "on safe and let 'em hang".
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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    Come ON! Do you trust these guys to be here or not?
    It's probably because there's no real good reason to take unnecessary risks. Just sayin'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    There's too much switching to safe going on in my opinion.

    I couldn't believe what I was seeing when I saw footage of BUDS training for seals and the instructors made the shooters switch the safety on before moving to the next, immediate shooting location.

    Come ON! Do you trust these guys to be here or not?

    The AR isn't drop safe so you're gaining nothing by constantly thumb ****ing the safety.... assuming you have a shooter who has trigger finger discipline. And if a shooter doesn't have trigger finger discipline, then the safety is a false sense of safety for a dangerous person anyway.

    If my rifle is deployed, in my hands for any reason... the safety is OFF! I only put the safety on if I'm separating myself from the weapon... or at the specific direction of an instructor to go "on safe and let 'em hang".
    I don't think you'll be remotely surprised that the whole rest of the training world, outside your little unknown local guy that you train with, would disagree with you.

    Sights off target, safety on. There is no reason NOT to do it that way. Hell, there is no reason NOT to do it that way even with the AK.
    Last edited by rob_s; 11-01-09 at 16:38.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate56 View Post
    I'm one of the people who prefer an ambi safety. I have short thumbs and it's difficult to reengage the safety. I have to break my grip, and rotate my hand to pull the left lever rearward. With an ambi safety, I can quickly and easily reengage the right lever with my trigger finger knuckle.
    +1 For Me.... Exept for I have big hands.

    Using my trigger finger (2nd knuckle) to engage the safety also naturally initiates a "master grip" in doing so.

    If the weapon is not on point, it is on safe. I know of a cop who let his M4 hang without engaging his safety. His kit snagged the trigger and the resulting AD blew a big hole through his leg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    There's too much switching to safe going on in my opinion.

    I couldn't believe what I was seeing when I saw footage of BUDS training for seals and the instructors made the shooters switch the safety on before moving to the next, immediate shooting location.

    Come ON! Do you trust these guys to be here or not?

    The AR isn't drop safe so you're gaining nothing by constantly thumb ****ing the safety.... assuming you have a shooter who has trigger finger discipline. And if a shooter doesn't have trigger finger discipline, then the safety is a false sense of safety for a dangerous person anyway.

    If my rifle is deployed, in my hands for any reason... the safety is OFF! I only put the safety on if I'm separating myself from the weapon... or at the specific direction of an instructor to go "on safe and let 'em hang".
    I couldn't agree with you more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pappabear View Post
    I have been thinking about getting a KAC Ambi safety, but I before I do that, I thought I would ask for any subtle tips to improve performance. I know the best thing to do is Practice practice practice. Does anyone have any tips for practicing or for executing. Not heard much good advice other than "just do it". And maybe thats it?

    Of course I can execute, but it seems putting the safety to "on-safe" requires too much concentration and effort. I have felt the Ambi, they feel so natural. But hate to get into the crutch, or I need all my AR's to be Ambi.

    Any thoughts or feedback would be appreciated.
    I may have missed it, but what pistol grip are you using? I have medium sized hands and found that a Magpul MOE took much more reach/effort than I was used to with a regular A2. I ended up with a MIAD with the small backstrap and it is much easier to manipulate the safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markm View Post
    There's too much switching to safe going on in my opinion.

    I couldn't believe what I was seeing when I saw footage of BUDS training for seals and the instructors made the shooters switch the safety on before moving to the next, immediate shooting location.

    Come ON! Do you trust these guys to be here or not?

    The AR isn't drop safe so you're gaining nothing by constantly thumb ****ing the safety.... assuming you have a shooter who has trigger finger discipline. And if a shooter doesn't have trigger finger discipline, then the safety is a false sense of safety for a dangerous person anyway.

    If my rifle is deployed, in my hands for any reason... the safety is OFF! I only put the safety on if I'm separating myself from the weapon... or at the specific direction of an instructor to go "on safe and let 'em hang".
    This is what I have always been taught and practiced. Whether 1911, shotgun, or carbine; once I have to shoot at someone, that gun is HOT and my finger is my safety until it is holstered or a low ready and all threats are gone.

    I'm open to the idea of using it more, but just haven't been trained to do so at this time.

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    Fingers aren't the only things causing NDs there, homie.

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    With enough training, operating the safety is an unconscious motion.

    I really dont see what the problem with applying an extra level of security is?

    Seriously, that whole "hoot" comment from BHD always drove me nuts. "This here's my safety".

    Get the hell over yourself...

    Thats like driving a 2010 corvette without the power steering simply because you're "strong" or "awesome" enough to handle it.

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