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Thread: Could This Be A Potential B.A.D. Issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CavReconScout View Post
    Keep your finger straight and use the side of your finger instead of the tip.
    Agreed.

    As others have mentioned it is a possibility. Any type of manipulation performed with the trigger finger could cause an issue, again as mentioned hitting the magazine release. I will say that your chances slightly increase with the BAD in comparison to the magazine release. However as CRS mentioned if you keep your trigger finger indexed straight as if you are going to hit the magazine release, then sweep your finger down, these chances are very very unlikely as the downward sweep keeps your finger from moving in a direction that would place it inside the trigger guard if you "ooopsed" it. If you were to use the tip of your finger and press inward on the BAD lever, the chances increase as the finger motion is directed inward towards the trigger guard area. It is still a very long reach from the BAD to the actual trigger and then you would still need enough "press" to activate the trigger, but it is not out of the realm of possibility. Just to mention, the BAD does not need much pressure to send the bolt forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiterabbit05 View Post
    1. Magazine is out of ammo, bolt locks back
    2. New mag is inserted
    3. Trigger finger goes to release bolt with the B.A.D.
    4. Bolt is released forward
    5. However, under stress, the finger slips on the B.A.D.
    6. As rifle goes into battery, finger hits trigger simultaneously or directly afterward resulting in an A.D.

    How probable do you think this situation is?

    On the other side of the coin, if the bolt catch is used, the trigger finger can be kept free of the trigger until ready to fire.
    We just got approval to install B.A.D system on all our department AR's and the firearms instructor spent a lot of time with the system before making the recommendation. As long as you train to keep you finger parallel with the receiver the chances of you having an AD are just and likely as without the B.A.D installed. Definitely take the time to re-train your body with the system to promote muscle memory. Just use the inner potion of your first finger and not the tip of the finger to either engage or lock the bolt back with the B.A.D lever.

    It was decided to use the system because it lowers the time need for a magazine change and promote economy of motion with clearing malfunctions and keeping the rifle on target.

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    If its still pointed at the badguy who cares if he has an extra hole LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by whiterabbit05 View Post
    1. Magazine is out of ammo, bolt locks back
    2. New mag is inserted
    3. Trigger finger goes to release bolt with the B.A.D.
    4. Bolt is released forward
    5. However, under stress, the finger slips on the B.A.D.
    6. As rifle goes into battery, finger hits trigger simultaneously or directly afterward resulting in an A.D.

    How probable do you think this situation is?

    On the other side of the coin, if the bolt catch is used, the trigger finger can be kept free of the trigger until ready to fire.
    No it could not happen. You have to have your finger straight to operate the BAD lever. It is just as likely that you could dump the magazine with the magazine release button and some how have your finger move an inch to the rear and strike the trigger during a speed load. I have played with this thing on the range under the stress of a time and while moving and shooting its safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whiterabbit05 View Post
    1. Magazine is out of ammo, bolt locks back
    2. New mag is inserted
    3. Trigger finger goes to release bolt with the B.A.D.
    4. Bolt is released forward
    5. However, under stress, the finger slips on the B.A.D.
    6. As rifle goes into battery, finger hits trigger simultaneously or directly afterward resulting in an A.D.

    How probable do you think this situation is?

    On the other side of the coin, if the bolt catch is used, the trigger finger can be kept free of the trigger until ready to fire.
    I've already done this. Fortunately, it was during a dry-firing session. You can probably train this out of your system if you actually want to use the BAD for releasing the bolt.

    Personally, I chose to install it because it helps in locking the BCG to the rear without having to release your firing grip.

    I did come across another issue that I have not been able to repeat (unless I tried). While performing an emergency reload my VCAS sling managed to end up behind the bolt release paddle. Because I had a BAD installed, the amount of space behind the divide was just enough for the VCAS sling to take up and not allow me to release the bolt (I was not using the BAD device to do this).

    It's not that big a deal as long as you either use a sling that uses a thinner material or if you are careful about how you have your sling configured while reloaded. In my case I had too much slack on the sling when this happened. YMMV.
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    Thanks for the replies.

    I've been thinking about getting the B.A.D. and was weighing the pros and cons of having one, started to imagine what it would be like to use one and this scenario came up.
    Last edited by whiterabbit05; 11-02-09 at 15:00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiterabbit05 View Post
    Thanks for the replies.

    I've been thinking about getting the B.A.D. and was weighing the pros and cons of having one, started to imagine what it would be like to use one and this scenario came up.
    Its cheap enough you should just get one and see how it works. Worst case you are only out 26 bucks.
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