2 MOA Dot for the Aimpoint T1?

[RogerinTPA]

The internal necessary for a 2moa dot would make the H1/T1 prohibitively expensive. There may be one someday, but no time soon. Straight from Aimpoint.

Damn! I was holding out for the 2 dot MOA H/T-1 for a future purchase. I guess I'll get another M4S.

[sff70]

All very true. And the smaller the dot, the more difficult it is to use the edge.

But I think it can be done (using the edge) with the smaller dots, to a degree that improves your hits. I have experience doing it with 6 and 8 moa dots on handguns, and with the donut reticle on my old TA-11D. I originally picked this up from Matt Burkett. It definitely helps to make precise shots with a large (unprecise) dot at distance. I've done it in competition and it works (more precise aiming point = better hits). Of course, you need to zero using this technique if you want it to work for you.

I find it very difficult to use the edge of a circle for a precise aiming point. Any can't in your weapon at all will affect your ability to complete the shot.
Pat

[Gutshot John]

I know a lot of guys that use a 4moa dot at 200 yards without too much trouble. I've used them too plenty at ~100 yards and never had a complaint. I sold an M2 went with an M4s mostly because of the battery and secondarily because I thought a 2moa would be more accurate but subsequent experience questions that assumption.

My experience with my M4S is that to get the "dot" that small they made it more like a "star" and so even though the tiny nucleus is 2moa, with the flare from the projector mine is effectively a 4moa aiming point but without the clear circle that allows using the tangent.

Any difference between accuracy due to the dot is negligible.

[Victor]

Aimpoint has mentioned in the past that the projector (for lack of a better term) in the T-1 is the same as in the larger 2 MOA optics but because of the short length it appears as a ~3.5 dot.

I don't get the obsession either. I have a 2 MOA C3 and I like the smaller dot for some things, but IMHO if you're trying to engage tiny targets for groups at distance with an RDS you're doing it wrong.

This....

I'll add to most to turn down your dot brightness that helps immensely. Hope this helps.

Vic

[Gutshot John]

This....

I'll add to most to turn down your dot brightness that helps immensely. Hope this helps.

Vic

Wow you mean it turns up and down? For like use in bright daylight and low-light and such? That's amazing, why didn't I think of that?

Conditions always require that you adjust the brightness. My 2moa dot even dim still isn't that much more accurate than a 4moa and it certainly isn't any more "round."

[snappy]

Why doesn't Aimpoint make a model with an adjustable dot size? Seems like a no-brainer. I have an Ultradot Matchdot on a Ruger MKII pistol that has 2, 4, 6 and 8 moa and is a great little rds. It wouldn't withstand the rigors of a battle environment though. An Aimpoint that could dial between 2moa for precise shooting and a bigger dot for faster acquisition would be the top dog on the market I bet. Maybe I'll pull the Matchdot off the MKII and try it out on my M4LE.

[Steve]

Try placing your 2moa and 4moa dot on the same rail in front of one another then turn them on 1 click at a time then get back to us.. about the point they hit number 8 or so they are the same size...



I have shot poppers at 300yards with 4 moa now is 2moa nice i guess so Ihave 2 of them does it do anything for me nope.

[Submariner]

Try placing your 2moa and 4moa dot on the same rail in front of one another then turn them on 1 click at a time then get back to us.. about the point they hit number 8 or so they are the same size...

Spot on, Steve.

Freddie Blish, our own FJB, is Aimpoint's Director, Military Sales Development. He has posted this in several places. I have confirmed this myself on an old RAS lower rail with a T-1 and a 2MOA M3:

Regarding the size of the dot on the Micro T-1 the demo to dispel it's "large 4 MOA" is to place the Micro T-1 on the same rail as a 2 MOA CompM4 or CompM3, so that people can see dots simultaneously. I place the Micro T-1 dot on setting 8 (setting for advertised 50,000 hours - 8760 hours = 1 year) and the CompM4 on setting 12 (setting for advertised 80,000 hours with AA Alkaline - longer for AA Lithium - oh AA Alkaline batteries in CompM4 or CompM4s sights are not having corrosion issues like another company's...I have one with 2 1/2 years and no issues) or setting 7 for CompM3 (setting for advertised 50,000 hours). The T-1 dot will appear slightly larger than the 2 MOA CompM4 or M3. Turning the T-1 to setting 7 makes the size of the dot appear the same size as a 2 MOA. Hope this helps inquiring minds.

[JStor]

I have two of the older M2 Aimpoints, and when shooting to 100 yards or further, I just turn the intensity down and the dot gets smaller...of course, I don't have the means to measure it.

When we consider the primary use of an Aimpoint, that of short distance shooting, the 4 moa may be the better choice. At any rate, I don't fault anybody for choosing what they want. Options are good, because perceived needs vary.

[Molon]

4 MOA dot on the left, 2 MOA dot on the right. Both at the same perceived brightness level.