Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst ... 2345 LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 46

Thread: where to buy AR in Upstate NY

  1. #31
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    140
    Feedback Score
    0
    well just speaking from experience (after consulting my gun dealer uncle, another local gun dealer, a lawyer & the police department), nothing stamped "colt" made after ban date, must come to FFL compliant, and you can't build your own! after all my research, that is what was told to me by the man in charge at the police department. I only sought out the police department after my lawyer felt that the ban included all style AR's and that he felt it came down to whoever interrupts the law. I say, call your local police department and get the answer from them. the person I talked to was really helpful! he also provided me with a list of compliant muzzle breaks.
    Last edited by hkhunter; 11-05-09 at 18:45.

  2. #32
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    NY
    Posts
    0
    Feedback Score
    1 (100%)
    The law is the law... It isn't how your local department interprets it. Go find the AR you want after doing serious research and then get it made AWB legal from an FFL if it isn't already. All AR's on the shelves in NY are already AWB legal... the only time you need to have them made legal is if you order a brand and the company doesn't make an AWB legal model.

    You don't need to consult a lawyer or any of that... The AWB is cut and dry in NY

  3. #33
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    AZ-Waging jihad against crappy AR's.
    Posts
    24,902
    Feedback Score
    104 (100%)
    I WOULD NEVER consult the local LE. Many cops don't know more than what end of the barrel a bullet comes out of. Maybe contact the local BATFE and ask them?

    Couldn't you get an upper that is NY state compliant, and then assemble a lower with the correct stock? I think there is alot of over-thinking happening here. Maybe I am wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by hkhunter View Post
    well just speaking from experience (after consulting my gun dealer uncle, another local gun dealer, a lawyer & the police department), nothing stamped "colt" made after ban date, must come to FFL compliant, and you can't build your own! after all my research, that is what was told to me by the man in charge at the police department. I only sought out the police department after my lawyer felt that the ban included all style AR's and that he felt it came down to whoever interrupts the law. I say, call your local police department and get the answer from them. the person I talked to was really helpful! he also provided me with a list of compliant muzzle breaks.



    Owner/Instructor at Semper Paratus Arms

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SemperParatusArms/

    Semper Paratus Arms AR15 Armorer Course http://www.semperparatusarms.com/cou...-registration/

    M4C Misc. Training and Course Announcements- http://www.m4carbine.net/forumdisplay.php?f=141

    Master Armorer/R&D at SIONICS Weapon Systems- http://sionicsweaponsystems.com

  4. #34
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    NY
    Posts
    0
    Feedback Score
    1 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I WOULD NEVER consult the local LE. Many cops don't know more than what end of the barrel a bullet comes out of. Maybe contact the local BATFE and ask them?

    Couldn't you get an upper that is NY state compliant, and then assemble a lower with the correct stock? I think there is alot of over-thinking happening here. Maybe I am wrong.
    There IS a lot of over thinking going on here! Look at the laws guys.. It is very simple. Whatever shop you go to will sell AWB legal AR's, AK's ect... There is absolutely NO need to contact local LE or lawyers on this topic..

    You can assemble a lower as long as you get the stock pinned so it is AWB compliant.

  5. #35
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    1,331
    Feedback Score
    0

    Thumbs up Post Ban compliant lowers with pinned or fixed stocks

    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post

    Couldn't you get an upper that is NY state compliant, and then assemble a lower with the correct stock? I think there is alot of over-thinking happening here. Maybe I am wrong.

    No, you are not wrong. The stock does not have to be pinned, it can be a fixed stock. Solid input.
    Cold Zero

  6. #36
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    77
    Feedback Score
    5 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by hkhunter View Post
    stamped colt and made after the ban is illegal in NY, no ifs or buts about it! not only is my uncle a NY gun dealer, I had my lawyer look into this for me as I didn't want to do jail time or lose my pistol permit. the law in NY state says no guns by colt or versions thereof. so technically if some anti gun dipshit could get a good law firm, they could go after all AR style weapons in NY. it's a bit tricky how one interprets this law, as its really not a black & white subject. But, I can tell you this, the only colts you can have in NY are one made Pre-ban. if they are not, I wouldn't take the chance on buying one. God forbid the ATF shows up at your door and want to see your armory. next thing you know you're in the federal pound you in the ass penitentiary. also, if it is pre-ban colt, you can't change anything on it, like if it had a A2 stock and you added a nice new Magpul ACS, it would be in violation. trust me, my lawyer & I really looked into this. the sad thing is, the law only hurts the people who follow it. I'm sure the gang bangers aren't concerned if they got a pre-ban version or not. I bought my SR-15 and had to have it made NY compliant before it shipped to my uncle, and that was told to me right from the police departments mouth.
    That is just plain wrong, and why would the ATF be enforcing state law? Please do a little more research before posting something like that.

  7. #37
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    77
    Feedback Score
    5 (100%)
    From NYS penal law Article 265

    22. "Assault weapon" means (a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an
    ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the
    following characteristics:
    (i) a folding or telescoping stock;
    (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of
    the weapon;
    (iii) a bayonet mount;
    (iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a
    flash suppressor;
    (v) a grenade launcher; or
    (b) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following
    characteristics:
    (i) a folding or telescoping stock;
    (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of
    the weapon;
    (iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds;
    (iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine; or
    (c) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable
    magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics:
    (i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the
    pistol grip;
    (ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash
    suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
    (iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely
    encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm
    with the nontrigger hand without being burned;
    (iv) a manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is
    unloaded;
    (v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm;
    or
    (d) any of the weapons, or functioning frames or receivers of such
    weapons, or copies or duplicates of such weapons, in any caliber, known
    as:
    (i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all
    models);
    (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
    (iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
    (iv) Colt AR-15;
    (v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
    (vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
    (vii) Steyr AUG;
    (viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and
    (ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street
    Sweeper and Striker 12;
    (e) provided, however, that such term does not include: (i) any rifle,
    shotgun or pistol that (A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or
    slide action; (B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or (C) is an
    antique firearm as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(16);
    (ii) a semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine
    that holds more than five rounds of ammunition;
    (iii) a semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds
    of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine;
    (iv) a rifle, shotgun or pistol, or a replica or a duplicate thereof,
    specified in Appendix A to section 922 of 18 U.S.C. as such weapon was
    manufactured on October first, nineteen hundred ninety-three. The mere
    fact that a weapon is not listed in Appendix A shall not be construed to
    mean that such weapon is an assault weapon; or
    (v) a semiautomatic rifle, a semiautomatic shotgun or a semiautomatic
    pistol or any of the weapons defined in paragraph (d) of this
    subdivision lawfully possessed prior to September fourteenth, nineteen
    hundred ninety-four.
    23. "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means a magazine, belt,
    drum, feed strip, or similar device, manufactured after September
    thirteenth, nineteen hundred ninety-four, that has a capacity of, or
    that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten
    rounds of ammunition; provided, however, that such term does not include
    an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating
    only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

  8. #38
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    77
    Feedback Score
    5 (100%)
    You can always buy a bcm upper and have it sent right to adco to have them make it ban compliant. Take care of it right off the bat. Then build a lower if ya like with a fixed stock, or pinned stock.

  9. #39
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Posts
    140
    Feedback Score
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by slustan View Post
    That is just plain wrong, and why would the ATF be enforcing state law? Please do a little more research before posting something like that.
    It's not plain wrong. my uncle almost lost his FFL because he received a Colt lower (that was made before the ban) for someone and the ATF came to him first and grilled him and then went to the person with the lower and confiscated it the guy almost went to jail. it turned out that the lower was one that could be made full auto and the only thing that saved his ass was that he never assembled the gun and they let him off easy. so yes, the ATF will enforce itself were ever they want. and I know people have posted not to talk to a police officer about the state laws, yeah! don't grab a beat cop and ask him, go to the station that deals with gun crime & law and talk to the person in charge. the person I had spoken to was very knowledgeable on the subject and was able to give me a copy of the ATF rules & regs for the AWB for NY. he also gave me a phone number for a ATF office in NY. so, I have done my research and I'm not trying to fight with anyone, just trying to help.
    Last edited by hkhunter; 11-07-09 at 12:35.

  10. #40
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    77
    Feedback Score
    5 (100%)
    Quote Originally Posted by hkhunter View Post
    It's not plain wrong. my uncle almost lost his FFL because he received a Colt lower (that was made before the ban) for someone and the ATF came to him first and grilled him and then went to the person with the lower and confiscated it the guy almost went to jail. it turned out that the lower was one that could be made full auto and the only thing that saved his ass was that he never assembled the gun and they let him off easy.
    Once again, read what you wrote. He transferred a colt that could go full auto? That's why the ATF was there, enforcing federal gun laws.

    I know you're not trying to cause trouble, but you're passing bad information. You can legally own colts in new york, if they are pre-ban change whatever you like on them. If they are post-ban, change what you want so long as you keep it ban compliant.

    ETA: There is no such thing as ATF rules for the NYS assualt weapon ban. The regs in the ATF book are just state laws compiled into one resource. Granted they were at one time the same thing as the federal ban, but that ban subsequently sunset, they are NYS law now.
    Last edited by slustan; 11-07-09 at 12:50.

Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst ... 2345 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •