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    A better M4, New barrel, faster fire and 4 other improvements

    This Week’s Army Times
    A better M4, New barrel, faster fire and 4 other improvements

    In this weeks Army Times. I'll have to get the print version today. Should be a interesting read for time lines AND the possible impacts on the anticipated Carbine Comp for next summer.

    If anyone has the on line version please clip it.


    http://gannett.a.mms.mavenapps.net/m...ect=1332954585

    thanks,
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    huh, surprised with the increased ROF, looking forward to someone posting it

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    http://www.armytimes.com/ has a video blurb on this.

    Everything they mention:
    Heavier BBL
    Gas Piston
    Smoother Trigger
    Ambi controls

    Can be accomplished by:
    HK416 upper
    Full Auto Trigger vs 3RD burst
    Ambi safety/mag catch

    Just a guess.

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    I thought that the ROF in the M4 needs to be dropped a bit.

    The Revolution will not be televised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grunz View Post
    http://www.armytimes.com/ has a video blurb on this.

    Everything they mention:
    Heavier BBL
    Gas Piston
    Smoother Trigger
    Ambi controls

    Can be accomplished by:
    HK416 upper
    Full Auto Trigger vs 3RD burst
    Ambi safety/mag catch

    Just a guess.
    Also adding a round counter, & an improved rail system.

    Oddly enough I was thinking about posting about what evolutionary mods would an M4 product improvement program would recommend.

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    I have the hard copy now. Seems they are saying these product improvements were briefed to Congress on or around the 30th of October. The intent is to bridge the gap until the new carbine program is completed. They also mention monolithic recievers.

    Seems like they could just give this a try:


    N4 Light Carbine, Basic, with VIS
    Limited Edition, N4 Light RECCE 5.56mm Rifle with VIS, Flat Dark Earth

    16.1" Cold Hammer Forged Barrel, 1 in 7" twist, 5.56mm
    --Made of Mil Spec M249 Machine Gun barrel steel, with heavy M249 Chrome Lining,
    (appx. 2 times as thick as an M4 or M16)
    --Extended Feed Ramps
    --Mil Spec Phosphate finish
    --MP HP tested with certification
    --Mid-Length gas system, no M203 notch
    --Vortex flash suppressor
    --Vltor VIS 12" monolithic upper
    --Geissele SSA two stage trigger
    --Shot peened and MP tested bolt
    --Properly staked carrier key
    --Auto carrier
    --Mil-Spec receiver extension, staked
    --H Buffer
    --Vltor E-Mod buttstock
    --Tango Down pistol grip
    --Six Tango Down SCAR rail panel covers
    --Noveske QD receiver end plate sling mount
    --One 30 rd mag included
    --Low-profile gas block pinned to barrel
    --Flip-up front and rear sights
    --V-TAC Sling, Khaki

    Just swap the lower for the Mag-Pul Lower
    Last edited by DMR; 11-16-09 at 23:10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMR View Post
    I have the hard copy now. Seems they are saying these product improvements were briefed to Congress on or around the 30th of October. The intent is to bridge the gap until the new carbine program is completed. They also mention monolithic recievers.

    Seems like they could just give this a try:


    N4 Light Carbine, Basic, with VIS
    Limited Edition, N4 Light RECCE 5.56mm Rifle with VIS, Flat Dark Earth

    16.1" Cold Hammer Forged Barrel, 1 in 7" twist, 5.56mm
    --Made of Mil Spec M249 Machine Gun barrel steel, with heavy M249 Chrome Lining,
    (appx. 2 times as thick as an M4 or M16)
    --Extended Feed Ramps
    --Mil Spec Phosphate finish
    --MP HP tested with certification
    --Mid-Length gas system, no M203 notch
    --Vortex flash suppressor
    --Vltor VIS 12" monolithic upper
    --Geissele SSA two stage trigger
    --Shot peened and MP tested bolt
    --Properly staked carrier key
    --Auto carrier
    --Mil-Spec receiver extension, staked
    --H Buffer
    --Vltor E-Mod buttstock
    --Tango Down pistol grip
    --Six Tango Down SCAR rail panel covers
    --Noveske QD receiver end plate sling mount
    --One 30 rd mag included
    --Low-profile gas block pinned to barrel
    --Flip-up front and rear sights
    --V-TAC Sling, Khaki

    Just swap the lower for the Mag-Pul Lower

    Any chance of getting scans of the article up?

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    Well, I was informed at SHOT, Dean Caputo and from reading articles by Chris Bartocci that the M4 is specced by the US Army and what H&K independently did with the HK416 has been offered to the US Army has been soundly rejected. Apparently, Colt recognizes the superiority of the CONCEPTS that HK provided (and others such as LWRCi and LMT, etc.) and actually have their own.

    I wish they would have offered what they felt was best to the public prior to HK and the rest...

    We've got to regain the small arms industry, in my opinion. Nothing against FN and HK but I believe - rightfully or wrongfully - that WE could do the same if not better if our system wasn't sabotaged and derailed.

    GLAD TO SEE THIS.

    P.S.

    Could anyone scan and post?

    Thanks in advance.

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    I got a copy last night. Same old crap. I can buy most of the parts COTS/current programs today and do 70% of what they are asking. To get to the other 30% I can also get COTS, but would need to do some hard testing to see what's actually best. They are talking enough changes in that 30% that more than likely the solutions will be enough for the various contractors to tie this up until 2013 anyhow.

    Everything they mention:
    I can buy them today
    Heavier BBL, SOPMOD Block II M-4A1
    Improved rail system, SOPMOD Block II M-4A1
    Going to a Monolithic upper = compitition and protests or Sole Source to Colt

    Smoother Trigger, SOPMOD Block II M-4A1?
    Plenty on the market, but so long as you retain the ratchet burst mech you will have the same issue.
    Ambi controls
    Norgan has a NSN, plenty of safetys availible, bolt release might call for a new lower. New lower = compitition and protests or Sole Source to Colt

    Would require testing
    Gas Piston, may not specify just ask for easier to clean and more reliable.
    Fail Zero Full Auto Kit anyone?
    Round counter (the Army has been working on this, maybe they have it finished)

    the HK-416 got a half page comparision to the M-4 and the SCAR got a short paragraph.
    Last edited by DMR; 11-17-09 at 10:07.
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    I havent read the full article - so can somebody say what kind of round counter is being talked about? Would this be a statistics/admin type of device or something for direct soldier use - ala Aliens.
    Last edited by grunz; 11-17-09 at 12:40.

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