Is it possible to apply trigger reset to the carbine or pistol when firing under periods of high stress?
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I'll state that in my expereince it is indeed possible to do so if you have a sufficient amount of training.
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You bet you can
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Trigger reset under high stress: Yay or nay?
Is it possible to apply trigger reset to the carbine or pistol when firing under periods of high stress?
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I'll state that in my expereince it is indeed possible to do so if you have a sufficient amount of training.
Last edited by NCPatrolAR; 12-04-09 at 00:25.
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Absolutely. I believe it is one of the easiest functions to turn into a "habit" via simple dry fire practice in-conjunction with live fire range practice.
Just last week I was conducting qualifications for my PD, and I have added a short instructional block on trigger reset during the range sessions. While instructing one group of shooters who were all shooting Glock pistols, I let them each do several dry-fire repetitons with my personal G19 focusing on trigger reset, if they so wished. The only shooter in this one particular group who didnt want to do the dry-fire/trigger reset repetitions, was the only one who failed the qualification course.
After doing the dry-fire/trigger reset demonstration, I have had shooters tell me "I'll never remember to do that in a gunfight". My response to that is that they are absolutely correct. If they only shoot their pistol once a year during mandatory Dept. qualifications, and dont take the minimal amout of time required to pick this skill up, then they will not remember to do it in a "gunfight", and they will also probably lose due to a complete lack of training.
Last edited by nickdrak; 12-04-09 at 02:35.
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I don't think it's a two answer question. I never say never, but I'm skeptical of its worth as a fighting concept.
I know that when I've tried to short-reset during rapid fire just in competition/practice I have problems. I'm not sure how you dry-fire practice a reset (nevermind under stress) but someone may know more than me.
Where I do use reset is for precision shooting but that's not high-stress and more just part of my follow-through.
Last edited by Gutshot John; 12-04-09 at 00:52.
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All formal instruction that I've received emphasized applying reset, but, in all honesty, I don't think I can do it, or haven't achieved proficiency yet. I do practice it, maybe not as regularly as I should, but this is probably the first thing that goes when I shoot fast.
And, yes, I don't know how to dry-fire this to any practical extent, unless you have a partner who racks the slide for you while you're dry-firing to reset.
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Originally Posted by YVK
Yes, having a partner to rack the slide for you is the best way to conduct dry fire practice, but it can still be done on your own, not optimally though because you will have to release your support hand grip to rack the slide while holding the trigger back, then re-obtain your support hand grip, sight picture, and then release to reset.
While dry-fire practice does absolutely nothing to induce stress, I believe that any repetitions you do towards proper trigger manipulation, whether it be live fire or dry fire, are beneficial.
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So what you're saying is that by doing this, you're also practicing reacquiring the two handed grip (like you'de need after a reload or movement) and reacquiring the sights (like you'd need after a transition? Sounds like value added dry fire practice to me.
This is exactly how I do it. For those who find this too much hassle, someone makes a dry fire module for Glocks that automatically resets the trigger IIRC.
Last edited by glocktogo; 12-04-09 at 09:12.
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My problem with practicing reset "solo" is that too much time passes between "shots" and, practically, this drill teaches you only where you reset point is [which is valuable too, 'cause I do short-stroke at times in live-fire reset practice], but not timing of trigger release.
Since in live fire you should reset during recoil, I wonder if practicing reset after you've reacquired the sight picture, as you stated above, could lead to a bad habit formation. With partner, you almost simulate gun recoil and I think there is incremental value there.
Last edited by YVK; 12-04-09 at 10:09.
I vote yes. I've done it in national-level competition, I've done it in FOF scenarios, and I've done it performing demonstrations for VIPs. All of those involved stress to greater or lesser extents.
The old saw that stress eliminates our ability to perform complex tasks is BS. It diminishes our ability to focus on complex tasks. That's why learning such tasks to the point of subconscious execution makes a difference.
As an example, I'll use a buddy of mine who is a federal agent and also a casual competition shooter. For a year or so he used a SIG P226ST with a SRT (shortened reset) as his competition gun, and a standard P226 (without the shortened reset) as his duty gun. One day at an IDPA match, he decided to use his duty gun for the sake of "realism." He short stroked the trigger constantly because, under stress, he was reverting to the trigger reset he'd learned with the SRT.
The lesson there, btw, is that you probably don't want to put extensive practice into a gun with a really short reset if your EDC/issue sidearm has a longer reset.
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I'm not sure I get the question. You have to reset the trigger for follow on shots. So if you want the system to function the yes.
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"In the end, it is not about the hardware, it's about the "software". Amateurs talk about hardware (equipment), professionals talk about software (training and mental readiness)" Lt. Col. Dave Grossman. On Combat
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Trigger reset in the terms of allowing the trigger to travel only far enough forward as to reset the action so a follow-up shot can be performed. Some call it "riding the sear"
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