Marine opens fire in OKC.

[Irish]

You make some very valid points, well said.

[Spade]

It's sad to hear things like this. With the recent Ft. Hood shooting & this. I bet the media finds some way to make all military guys look like crazed idiots & blame it on the war. It is really sad to see a Marine ruin his life like this.

[chadbag]

Some states allow deadly force in the protection of others. Even if I am not directly threatened, if other innocents are some states allow to take deadly action to stop it and am not under the obligation to retreat myself.

I've thought through the process for myself -- voice commands etc but have to admit have not really practiced it more than once or twice.

[RyanB]

D90, there are a couple of things in your post that make some of that advice completely worthless in my state. Other parts are suspect, and still other parts are good advice.

In my state, LEOs are more restricted in their UoF than civilians (although they do have qualified immunity). This is explicitly stated by the legislature. Also, deadly force may be used to protect a third party, or to end a forcible felony as defined by statute.

Not saying this was a shoot scenario, but it CANNOT be stressed enough that every state has different rules about lawful use of lethal force, and we are responsible to know the law wherever we are.

Also, I was standing just today in a place where an armed citizen was paralyzed because he was engaging with his voice when he should have been killing. In this case where someone is not engaging a target, but using a firearm to make a commotion, it can be reasonable under some circumstances to verbally engage. I will go so far though, as to categorically state that if someone is intent on using a weapon or already firing it with intent to land a hit, it is grossly negligent to speak. Unless you can speak and fire accurately at the same time.

[dhrith]

If he was unhappy with his military status before, I bet he will be thrilled with his new military status after he learns all about the UCMJ...

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roflmao

[RadioActivity]

I wonder what he was so pissed about? Maybe his Gunny made him walk point one to many times. Seriously, what would make a Marine snap while home on leave?.

I'll say that oddly enough, going home (even just for 2 week R&R) can be one of the most stressful times in a deployment. Sounds odd but you would be surprised.

[atlantaguns]

I dont mention this often but honestly I am surprised I haven't seen shit like this from the guys I served with. I know quite a few guys that must be bat shit crazy by now. I know none of them have ever got the help they need. Mix all the bad shit from the war with drugs and you start to have real problems.

[JenX]

I dont mention this often but honestly I am surprised I haven't seen shit like this from the guys I served with. I know quite a few guys that must be bat shit crazy by now. I know none of them have ever got the help they need. Mix all the bad shit from the war with drugs and you start to have real problems.

I totally agree. We had a couple incidents. One guy kidnapped his mom and wife and took them to Mexico. Held a knife to his wives throat. The thing is, he and I were on every single convoy together. We saw the exact same shiz. Its very interesting how some people just react and take it in differently. I admit I too have had problems, but I internalized them rather than act out in a shooting rampage.

I also agree with the previous comment on coming home from leave. WORST decision I EVER made! I do not recommend it to any service member. Just do your time then make sure you have someone to talk to when you come home. The change from blocking out all emotions and pushing on with a mission for a year straight - to coming back to America and being forced to feel again is a hard transition that no one is willing to admit because they don't want to be looked on as pussies.