Head shot on charging lion saves dudes life

[glocktogo]

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Dead on.

How do you feel about this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssh8V...eature=related

Obviously a very skilled rifleman and they discussed the time they spent setting up the shot. But I agree that extreme long range hunting is more about shooting and less about hunting. It doesn't take much if you can do it right over the fence in the shadow of your pickup.

By contrast my longest shot was about 80 yards across a river on a running buck. I watched him come down the riverbank, picked a spot, shot with both eyes open when he came into the opening and dropped him with a hit to the spine. The closest shot was from the base of a frozen tree on a small doe. I literally waited till she turned her head and held the trigger back as I thumbed the hammer on a 50cal BP rifle. I let the hammer slip and shot from the hip as I raised the rifle. The embers from the black powder were hitting her in the side and other than a bleat, she was dead when she hit the ground.

To me, that is hunting.

[LockenLoad]

the lion kicked ass the hunters well

[znztivguy]

Lion didn't stand a chance. However if it was just one hunter...I think he would have been a gonner.
Almost like a handgunner facing a knife attack. What was the estimate? 20 feet both die?

[CarlosDJackal]

the funny thing is that some folks on here are ok with killing deer or cattle, but seem to find some beauty in large predators. theyre all animals, and all have a place in the food chain...

True. But if the world were ever to go topsie-turvy; which would you rather have backing you up? A single Lion or a herd of deer or cattle?

[David Thomas]

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How do you feel about this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssh8V...eature=related

I like how he "squoze" the trigger.

I fail to see the point, but long range shooting ( I will not call it hunting) does not bother me like the canned lion hunt.

[QuickStrike]

Since everybody likes to see lions get shot so much..

Here's another:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQzLA...eature=related




While I hate excessive violence and gore involving people in movies, pictures, etc. , I can never get tired of seeing charging animals get dropped. All that force and ill intent gets shut down in stunning fashion from a well placed shot/s is pretty neat.

I don't see anything wrong with hunting any animal legally. The hunters actually gives the lion some "worth" to the locals. This "worth" benefits the people living there and so they won't be as inclined to poison, poach ALL the lions to death.

Hunting fees for lions are freakin' costly (tens of thousands I think), so it pays off...

Edit: make that trophy fees + daily fees

[QuickStrike]

True. But if the world were ever to go topsie-turvy; which would you rather have backing you up? A single Lion or a herd of deer or cattle?

I'd take a herd of cape buffalo.

I don't see how some people identify so much with preds like lions. Predators in the wild HATE each other.

Early homonids hated lions too I'd bet. I'm surprised and fascinated how early hobbit sized homos survived in a world full of lions, hunting dogs and leopards.

Nothing is too noble to escape old age and the eventual dismemberment by hyenas and vultures. They kill their own cubs, each other, etc. Life is hard for a lion. Shooting it ain't much worse.

[awm14hp]

wow thats nuts

[Chief1942]

Have seen many discussions on this topic over the years and generally tend to shy away from entering the fray, but the folks that post on M4Carbine tend to more mature, pragmatic and less emotional rhetoric, so here goes.

I am a Westerner. Born and raised in the West. Grew up putting food on the table hunting and fishing. In order for my family to eat, something else had to die, be it animal or vegitable. That is simply the way it works. As to the "ethics" of hunting in today's industrialized/corporate environment, I still maintain that same view/heritage/practice of "grocery shopping the old fashion way". No it is not necessary as I can, like most, simply pay someone else to do the dirty deed and leave me feeling guiltless since it wasn't I who killed it, I simply bought it at the market. I was raised to respect all of God's creatures and have had "Hunter's Remorse" on each occasion of harvesting the food. The "ethic" I was raised with is "if you aren't going to eat it, don't kill it!". Of course that did not apply to varmints and those that would present an immediate threat to life or limb. I have never had any inclination to shoot a bear or mountain lion, although I have eaten both. Just have other preferences so that is how I pursue the undertaking. As a side benefit, much of what I learned hunting/shooting in the outdoors served me well during my stint in the Marine Corps, so it can have a "tactical" benefit.

I have long appreciated that it is the hunters/sportsmen and women who provide the funding for much that we and the non-hunting community enjoy of what remains of our once bountiful legacy. I personally do not "trophy" hunt ( never was able to make large antlers taste worth a darn) but do accept that those who do it are contributing much to the overall maintenance and support of many of the "trophy" species than say an organization like PETA or HSUSA. Those who place any particular animal on a par with or above human life I have little time for. I do understand their appreciation of the animals, just think they take their emotional rhetoric way too far.

So, as has been fairly aired on this thread, it is a very subjective and oft times emotional issue. One's viewpoint has a lot to do with how one grew up and where one currently abides. Viva la differance'!!

Semper Fi!

[M4Fundi]

Just some info on hunting in Africa. I've worked for years in African countries as a PH, Game Ranger, Game Guard, fishing & photo safari guide and filmmaker, etc. I've hunted the animals, protected the animals (at times at great personal risk) and filmed them. I am very pro hunting in Africa.

What most people do not realize is that there is not unlimited wild land for the animals to live on. People often think if you do not hunt the animals they will live in the wilds happily ever after. This is not true. African countries are poor, overpopulated and looking for any way to make $ off of their land. ALL available land is utilized if possible. The most fertile and game rich lands are taken and used for ranching and farming, or other to make $. The first thing the tribes or gov't do is KILL EVERY LIVING THING from elephant to butterfly that will compete with the crops or cattle. The animals that live in parks overflow often times onto this land and are killed. On hunting ranches & gov't leased hunting concessions the animals live the most natural lives possible. In the parks they have millions of tourists driving thru their areas getting unnaturally habituated to people, while in hunting concession areas there is only a tiny handful of people moving thru the area, they naturally fear the people and because the animals are a commodity they are very successfully protected and managed. They live the most natural lives here and if the land was not used for hunting the only other alternative usually is farming, cattle which equals death for all the creatures on this land.

Safari hunting brings in the highest foreign exchange per hectare than any other land use save for mining. Hunting creates very natural habitat for the animals that would otherwise be destroyed for other uses. Hunters cannot over hunt their land or they are hunting themselves out of business. Good game management practices keep the hunters in business and give the animals the best habitat to live in.

You might not want to hunt trophy style hunts your self but please do not condemn them as t with out the hunters those animals would all be dead and the land would as usual be over grazed and inefficiently farmed to a barren waste.