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    Quote Originally Posted by bp7178 View Post
    Did no one take issue with the author mentioning a virtue of the MP5 is reduced ballistics in case of friendly fire? WTF?
    It sucks but it is a reality.
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    From reading this article it sounds like folks are fairly split on what weapon is better.

    I think for my application (average joe protecting his house) a mp5 suppressed would be the better tool for the job in protecting from a home invasion.

    That being said a suppressed 300 blackout out of a 8" noveske barrel may work just fine.
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    Good article. Going to shoot an mp5 this month, with the local PD's swat team. It's going to be the best hours of my intership! I have always loves the look of the mp5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba04 View Post
    From reading this article it sounds like folks are fairly split on what weapon is better.
    I don't think it's split at all, some people just fail to comprehend that it's not a do-it-all kind of platform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bp7178 View Post
    Did no one take issue with the author mentioning a virtue of the MP5 is reduced ballistics in case of friendly fire? WTF?
    I posted this earlier in the thread...

    He also notes the danger of 5.56 penetrating soft armor. Of course, this is also an advantage depending on what you are facing.
    What I gathered from that portion of the article is that the MP5 is a safer choice, because cops have a tendency to shoot other cops. Gosh, how about we don't do that?

    (And while we're at it, how about we help accomplish that by getting serious about NDs, too. Really serious. Like loss of pay. Time off. No more SWAT. Lose your G-ride. Being the meter-maid.)

    Another thought: Wasn't it the NTOA (or maybe ITEMS) that crunched the data on ops injuries and OISs, and found that when cops shoot other cops in the tactical environment, it was mostly lower extremity injuries, where armor would not play a role anyway? That would seem to negate the comparative safety margin of the HK a bit.

    From the article:

    However, the most important drawback to the M4 is the often overlooked fact that if one of the team members is armed with a .223, there is at least one weapon present that can penetrate most police body armor. Accidents happen, and the level of injuries related to friendly fire in police shoot-outs is often a hidden statistic. The Emergency Services Unit (ESU) of the NYPD, easily the team with the most number of callouts in the nation, still issues MP5s. Why? As one team leader said, “We don’t want to kill one of our own guys. An M4 can do that, but an MP5 can’t.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skintop911 View Post
    What I gathered from that portion of the article is that the MP5 is a safer choice, because cops have a tendency to shoot other cops. Gosh, how about we don't do that?
    I'd even go so far as to suggest if one isn't capable of NOT shooting the wrong people, then they really shouldn't be a police officers at all let alone on any kind of hostage rescue or SWAT team.
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    So if the MP5s safety isn't ergonomic and reloading is not really optimal, and 9mm is kind of weak- why did the MP5 become such a hit- is it that all the other SMGs sucked even more? Is it the skill of the operators and the inherent smooth shooting operation out weigh all these other factors? Was there ever an SMG that got it all 'right', or was this an evolutionary dead-end as small caliber SBRs filled the role?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    I think a lot of people lose sight of that in these discussions.

    While the MP5 would have been almost useless (along with handguns and pump shotguns) in a situation like the North Hollywood bank robbery, they have their place.

    I don't think you need any better example than the Princess Gate SAS raid to see the effectiveness of the MP5 for certain applications. Ironically it was that incident which made everyone jump on the MP5 bandwagon in the first place.

    And it was the North Hollywood Bank Robbery that forced everyone to reconsider the limitations of things like the MP5 in other applications. After Princess Gate people wanted to use the MP5 for everything, even applications where it was not particularly suitable. With North Hollywood people finally were forced to recognize the limitations of the 9mm round for every application and as a result everyone is jumping on the M4 for every application, even those when there might be more suitable tools for the job.

    We do it every time, we will continue to do it.
    I think just a couple of 870's with rifled slugs would have proved to have been very useful.

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    Very accurate for a sub-gun, very handy size for CQB , VERY controllable recoil. I have only sampled two of them but it only took my first magazine to see why it is/was so popular.
    BTW I don't know why so many reports of crappy trigger pull comes from? The two I sampled had German sef trigger groups the trigger pull was nice in my experience and had a good positive reset. No trigger work was done except for the clipping and pinning for semi use only.
    The safety selector is not in a optimum placement compared to the AR-15. Some people say its slower to reload but I would like to point out that the MP5/10mm has a bolt hold open. The 9mm version doesn't and you have to do the HK slap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmrtnsn View Post
    I think just a couple of 870's with rifled slugs would have proved to have been very useful.
    Certainly better than the buckshot, .38 and 9mm JHP's they were using, though the armor and plates the crooks were wearing would have provided some protection against slugs.

    Even pistol caliber carbines would have been an improvement, as they would have provided the ability for more precise shot placement.

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