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"Real men have always needed to know what time it is so they are at the airfield on time, pumping rounds into savages at the right time, etc. Being able to see such in the dark while light weights were comfy in bed without using a light required luminous material." -Originally Posted by ramairthree
From reading this article it sounds like folks are fairly split on what weapon is better.
I think for my application (average joe protecting his house) a mp5 suppressed would be the better tool for the job in protecting from a home invasion.
That being said a suppressed 300 blackout out of a 8" noveske barrel may work just fine.
Last edited by bubba04; 05-30-11 at 20:39.
Good article. Going to shoot an mp5 this month, with the local PD's swat team. It's going to be the best hours of my intership! I have always loves the look of the mp5.
I posted this earlier in the thread...
What I gathered from that portion of the article is that the MP5 is a safer choice, because cops have a tendency to shoot other cops. Gosh, how about we don't do that?He also notes the danger of 5.56 penetrating soft armor. Of course, this is also an advantage depending on what you are facing.
(And while we're at it, how about we help accomplish that by getting serious about NDs, too. Really serious. Like loss of pay. Time off. No more SWAT. Lose your G-ride. Being the meter-maid.)
Another thought: Wasn't it the NTOA (or maybe ITEMS) that crunched the data on ops injuries and OISs, and found that when cops shoot other cops in the tactical environment, it was mostly lower extremity injuries, where armor would not play a role anyway? That would seem to negate the comparative safety margin of the HK a bit.
From the article:
However, the most important drawback to the M4 is the often overlooked fact that if one of the team members is armed with a .223, there is at least one weapon present that can penetrate most police body armor. Accidents happen, and the level of injuries related to friendly fire in police shoot-outs is often a hidden statistic. The Emergency Services Unit (ESU) of the NYPD, easily the team with the most number of callouts in the nation, still issues MP5s. Why? As one team leader said, “We don’t want to kill one of our own guys. An M4 can do that, but an MP5 can’t.”
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So if the MP5s safety isn't ergonomic and reloading is not really optimal, and 9mm is kind of weak- why did the MP5 become such a hit- is it that all the other SMGs sucked even more? Is it the skill of the operators and the inherent smooth shooting operation out weigh all these other factors? Was there ever an SMG that got it all 'right', or was this an evolutionary dead-end as small caliber SBRs filled the role?
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Very accurate for a sub-gun, very handy size for CQB , VERY controllable recoil. I have only sampled two of them but it only took my first magazine to see why it is/was so popular.
BTW I don't know why so many reports of crappy trigger pull comes from? The two I sampled had German sef trigger groups the trigger pull was nice in my experience and had a good positive reset. No trigger work was done except for the clipping and pinning for semi use only.
The safety selector is not in a optimum placement compared to the AR-15. Some people say its slower to reload but I would like to point out that the MP5/10mm has a bolt hold open. The 9mm version doesn't and you have to do the HK slap.
Certainly better than the buckshot, .38 and 9mm JHP's they were using, though the armor and plates the crooks were wearing would have provided some protection against slugs.
Even pistol caliber carbines would have been an improvement, as they would have provided the ability for more precise shot placement.
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