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    Quote Originally Posted by kmrtnsn View Post
    I think just a couple of 870's with rifled slugs would have proved to have been very useful.
    Why is that isn't IIIA soft body armor rated to stop slugs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas M-4 View Post
    Why is that isn't IIIA soft body armor rated to stop slugs?
    It's not rated for it. It may stop it, but it would be no fun for the wearer.

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    I just wish we could buy up all the MP5's that the departments are ditching. If they're so obsolete, why can't we have them?
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    To those that mentioned the Knight's PDW:

    If you replaced the MP5 with the PDW, you'd be replacing the M4 as well.

    IMO, I think PDW type weapons (with 6.Xmm calibers) are the next step in CQB doctrine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    So if the MP5s safety isn't ergonomic and reloading is not really optimal, and 9mm is kind of weak- why did the MP5 become such a hit- is it that all the other SMGs sucked even more? Is it the skill of the operators and the inherent smooth shooting operation out weigh all these other factors? Was there ever an SMG that got it all 'right', or was this an evolutionary dead-end as small caliber SBRs filled the role?

    Basically yes, the other candidates were worse. The Uzi was the former "greatest SMG." But the MP5 safety isn't a big issue and with the newer trigger groups it is not an issue at all. Not sure who told you reloading is a problem, I'm assuming you are referring to the bolt hold open. Once you get used to the manual of arms it is no problem.

    The main advantages are first shot placement, and one of the smoothest cycle actions I've ever experienced.

    I think the ultimate would have been the MP545 if it was ever put into production, sadly HK had a new plastic design and we got the UMP45 instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    I think the ultimate would have been the MP545 if it was ever put into production, sadly HK had a new plastic design and we got the UMP45 instead.
    What is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Salad0892 View Post
    What is that?
    An MP5 in .45acp, like the .40 S&W model is called the MP5-40.
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    The MP5 is a great gun and very controllable. I prefer an M4 but the MP5 has a place. I have a video of it somewhere where you can see ho's controllable it is and how easy it is to shoot accurately. Granted it's just less than 10 yards, you can see the tight group.



    I'm looking for the video now. In advance, please excuse the Beta mag! I wouldn't use it for anything other than the range. I have some suppressed videos too which I'll need to fid on one of my drives.

    http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/e...g/IMG_0392.mp4

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    The whole M4 vs MP5 debate seems very similar to the M1 carbine vs Thompson thing. I do not remember many people disliking the Thompson during that era. The size difference is not small (between a M4 and a MP5A3). When I was attached to the MPs in the 'corps, they had a SRT team that really really loved the MP5.(at least that is what they told me )

    And uh, I think we all want the KAC PDW....

    -Chris

    /edit... saw this on another forum.... from "Project 64: The MP5 Submachine Gun Story by
    Frank W. James."
    NASA owned a MP5 that shot over 571,000 rounds before being decommisioned. The MP5 SN 316019 went in service August of 1984 and come out October of 1992.

    Parts that were replaced because of wear:
    five roller holders
    five firing pins springs
    four extractors
    four extractor springs
    three firing pins
    two set of oversized locking rollers
    one roller holder pin
    one recoil spring assembly
    one mag release spring
    Anyone have an AR15 with 571,000 rounds?
    Last edited by fhpchris; 06-01-11 at 09:29.
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    Lack of support is the main reason I hear about the MP5 being changed out for the AR, followed by the terminal performance/penetration info being more available than it was in the 80's and 90's.

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