The French Ghetto - Future of Detroit?

[Left Sig]

I was just there a few months ago. Like everywhere, there are places you don't want to be. I went to those places on purpose because I wanted to see first hand "big bad Detroit". The only thing different that stood out to me was the size of the areas in question. Because of to the size, there were more people. And because of the population increase there is inherently going to be more crime. Down town Detroit looked like anywhere big city USA as far as I could tell. Dearborn was the same way. Port huron was pretty. Birmingham was awesome. I had a good time in Michigan and if the weather was a nice as it was when I was there, all the time, I would consider it a viable place to live. Screw your winters though Michigan. lol

I thought the same thing when I first got there in 1994. After moving away in 1996 and living in Indiana for 4 years I wasn't looking forward to moving back. I moved back in 2000 and left again in 2001 vowing never to return. While parts of it may look OK on the surface, some of it is getting better, and it's OK to visit, it is a truly unpleasant place to live. The constant racial tension, the severe segregation, the hostility, the crime, the culture of entitlement, the union culture, and yes the weather all weigh on you. My wife felt it the first time we lived there, and I felt it much worse the second time. I can't imagine trying to raise my son there.

[HK51Fan]

I have a question and maybe somebody has an a better answer than what I've been able to come up with.

We as a country are at over 10% unemployment....that'
s by going off of the unemployment claims that are filed. The real number is actually higher around 15-18%

We have unemployment, we have welfare and yet we're letting in "refugees" and "immigrants" from other countries....look my mother is an immigrant (East German) so I think I can say without feeling bad. That we need to shut our borders down. Stop the immigration...we're full and we can't even take care of the AMERICANS that are here.

Why do we keep bringing in immigrants? Is it just for the racial equilibrium? If that's the case...then the other races need to realize we're a white country 74% wite/european population.... it will never change.....This was a country started by europeans based on a christian faith. When we set up the constitution and put freedom of religion in there it was for freedom of christian beliefs, whether you were a catholic or a protestant..not if you think a cow is a diety, or your faith states that you have to convert those around you as part of the religion and if you have to fight or kill to do so that's ok and to take it step farther if you die while trying to spread islam then youre sins are cleansed and you will have 72 virgins,,that's not what was intended by the framers of the constitution.When we stated bring us your poor downtrodden hundled masses it was for Europeans that were held in the classes they were born to or people that were discriminated due to religious belief or social class.
Now those beliefs are transcribed to every religion or race in the world and then those immigrants come, but they're not immigrants because they dont migrate here and assimilate into american society. Instead they set up there own miniature cultures...disparate pockets of individuals who have no intention of becoming an American. When my mother and Father came to the states they purposefully didn't speak anything but english when we were little....they wanted us to be AMERICANS.....I had to learn German on my own through school, relatives, and rosetta stone.

What I'm saying is we need to shut it down, not permanently. We need to get a handle on the one's here and I think make 2yrs of gov't or military service a must. I think it picks up the disenfranchised and gives em chance at something more.

I apologize for the length of this, but it seems like it's so simple and I don't see why we don't do it. I mean with the 2 trillion dollars we've spent in the past year i would think that we could have employed ALOT of people in public works and sent people to advanced schooling or trade schools. Set up some pubpic parks staff our schools better and equip them not take away art and PE....that's what the countries these immigrants come from do...we're Americans and we need to culivate the seeds of future generations, not just the rich, but everyone!!

Detroit was a hub of industry we joke around about it, but Baltimore and Philly aren't far behind...this is serious we need to make changes now...they're not going to change overnight, but if we give the people of this country a chance they can do incredible things...we need to give Americans are reason to believe again and if that means going against what the Europeans and Asians. or other countries are doing then to bad...when did we care in the past. Before WWII we were a rich society....and we were an isolationist society. We took care of own...sure we had our ups and downs but we were Americans and we pulled together. If we can't lead by example in our own country then how are we going to make changes in other societies half way around the world?


Regards,

R

[Business_Casual]

I have a question...Why do we keep bringing in immigrants?

It's simple. There is one set of politicians who want legal, qualified and talented people to immigrate and one set of politicians who want as many third-worlders as possible to immigrate. The first set gets H1B Visas and invent things like the USB port. The second set get drivers licenses, motor voter and vote for Democrats.

You can guess the rest.

M_P

[Mac5.56]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60010D20100101

Does anyone think it will be long until the same sort of suburban rioting becomes a fixture in Detroit? What characteristic of these suburbs did the story leave out? Perhaps the immigration and religous affiliation of the "youths" in those areas?

Is this our future too?

M_P

I find it funny that someone from VA is commenting about Detroit like it's his backyard. Ever been there? Also what exactly is the immigration and religious demographic of these french ghetto's and please give me an educated statement regarding how it is different then ghettos in the United States? Seriously. Enlighten me please. Or is this just another thread that attempts to place a veil over what I have noticed is your blatant racism and xenophobia?

[Mac5.56]

Really? News of the annual riots doesn't seem to make it out here in the northwestern suburbs.


Detroit most certainly has its problems, but it's a far cry from the suburbs of Paris.

OOOhhh Snap!

[Business_Casual]

I find it funny that someone from VA is commenting about Detroit like it's his backyard. Ever been there? Also what exactly is the immigration and religious demographic of these french ghetto's and please give me an educated statement regarding how it is different then ghettos in the United States? Seriously. Enlighten me please. Or is this just another thread that attempts to place a veil over what I have noticed is your blatant racism and xenophobia?

If you knew me, you would be hard pressed to call me xenophobic or racist. But don't let that interupt your rant. Carry on.

M_P

[HK51Fan]

Why does he need to be labeled xenophobic? Maybe nationalist with christian values? How many mosques are showing up in poor black neighborhoods? Alot more than what are showing up places like Frisco, Plano, or Highland Park her in Dallas. It's not so much a racist or religious thing as it is a socio-economic problem that their using for their own gain in order to recruit disenfranchised youth. We need to get our education system in order.....that's the cornerstone of all great societies.........

We need bring the morning prayer and pledge of allegiance into our schools again. The funny thing is it's starting to change...this is the first year in a very long time that people wished one another Merry Christmas instead of Happy Holidays. People are getting tired of this PC shit and are starting to take their communities back and it's going to keep on going from there brother......If you want to come to this country then you need to go along to get along and if you don't like American beliefs and values then eat a big bowl of shut the Eff up....IMO! If you want to practice other beliefs...either social or religious then that's fine, but don't , as the minority, press your beliefs or lack of to me. There has been a lot of blood shed by Americans to EARN those rights and FREEDOMS and they're not going to be taken away be people who move here and are uncomfortable because it's not like the place they came from.......go back if you really have a problem with it or keep it to yourself and teach whatever the hell you want in your own household as long as it doesn't encroach on my beliefs or way or life.

That's not XENOPHOBIC......that's NATIONALIST!

[Business_Casual]

Why does he need to be labeled xenophobic? Maybe nationalist with christian values? How many mosques are showing up in poor black neighborhoods? Alot more than what are showing up places like Frisco, Plano, or Highland Park her in Dallas. It's not so much a racist or religious thing as it is a socio-economic problem that their using for their own gain in order to recruit disenfranchised youth. We need to get our education system in order.....that's the cornerstone of all great societies.........

Thanks but don't worry about it - I've been called worse. Usually by old ladies in the car park at Harris Teeter...

M_P

[QuietShootr]

I find it funny that someone from VA is commenting about Detroit like it's his backyard. Ever been there? Also what exactly is the immigration and religious demographic of these french ghetto's and please give me an educated statement regarding how it is different then ghettos in the United States? Seriously. Enlighten me please. Or is this just another thread that attempts to place a veil over what I have noticed is your blatant racism and xenophobia?

Hey now. I'm the resident racist xenophobe.

And it's not racist or xenophobic to point out the truth.

[Mac5.56]

If you knew me, you would be hard pressed to call me xenophobic or racist. But don't let that interupt your rant. Carry on.

M_P

I seriously haven't heard you make a point in any thread that discusses immigration or religion that doesn't border exactly on both of those things. You hide your views using extreme right wing ideology, and neo-christian morals, but yes, your assumptions about the world in which you live do appear to be extremely racist. Whatever small encounters you have in your life that you use to attempt to justify that this is not the case don't change the underlying implications of what you "hint" at in your posts. I also can't help but notice that you have failed to actually respond to the statements of your in-experience regarding the region you referenced but that is expected.

Also HK51 is right in that this is a socio-economic issue not a race/religion issue, I just wonder if you are capable of seeing that yourself?