question to dealers...

[freakshow10mm]

Update: They called last night and I picked up. Total 38.00. Time for recording gun, 12 minutes.

This has been helpful though because Ive decided to get my FFL license. Im going to turn the transfer process into Chick Fil-et. Same day pickup and cheaper fee. If anyone is interested in the process, I can document it since I know nothing about it and will start from ground up. I will sell nothing, and only receive to start off. Thanks for the comments.

The transfer process is quite basic and I think we all know what's involved. Fill out the 4473, call in the check, finalize the form, pay for it. Long guns here take about 1-15 minutes and handguns maybe 20-25. It's not so much the time, it's the cost of operating a business for profit as well as the numerous things you don't see. Remember the dealer has to keep the 4473s on file for 20 years. That takes up space and costs money. Then there's utilities, labor, taxes, rent, licensing, insurance, office supplies, etc. Once you get your FFL and start doing this yourself, you will see things from the other side of the counter.

[Artos]

I assume you will use your ffl at a residence since you are not carrying inventory & 4473 transfers will not pay the rent.


ATF will require you to have a conditional use permit to run a biz from the residence. You may want to confirm this first before you move too far along. Some cities don't allow the biz of guns accept for commercial areas.

[C4IGrant]

Update: They called last night and I picked up. Total 38.00. Time for recording gun, 12 minutes.

This has been helpful though because Ive decided to get my FFL license. Im going to turn the transfer process into Chick Fil-et. Same day pickup and cheaper fee. If anyone is interested in the process, I can document it since I know nothing about it and will start from ground up. I will sell nothing, and only receive to start off. Thanks for the comments.

Keep in mind that the ATF has been coming down pretty hard on home based FFL's. They also deny more home based FFL's than any other.

Also remember that you will have STRANGERS coming into your home (if you run the business out of there).

Check the zoning in your area. You might not be able to have a business or a "gun shop" in your location.

If you have a day job and there is no one at your home during the day, all guns come with a "signature required" for delivery. Not all dealer do this though so that means that the gun would just be sitting at your front door. This is a big no no and you will experience some serious fun with the ATF if a gun is stolen.

Just some food for thought...






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[C4IGrant]

The transfer process is quite basic and I think we all know what's involved. Fill out the 4473, call in the check, finalize the form, pay for it. Long guns here take about 1-15 minutes and handguns maybe 20-25. It's not so much the time, it's the cost of operating a business for profit as well as the numerous things you don't see. Remember the dealer has to keep the 4473s on file for 20 years. That takes up space and costs money. Then there's utilities, labor, taxes, rent, licensing, insurance, office supplies, etc. Once you get your FFL and start doing this yourself, you will see things from the other side of the counter.

Right. Liability insurance (just for the property). Yikes batman this can get expensive.

Pretty soon, that $20 dollar transfer fee doesn't look like such a good idea.



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[sadmin]

Keep in mind that the ATF has been coming down pretty hard on home based FFL's. They also deny more home based FFL's than any other.

Also remember that you will have STRANGERS coming into your home (if you run the business out of there).

Check the zoning in your area. You might not be able to have a business or a "gun shop" in your location.

If you have a day job and there is no one at your home during the day, all guns come with a "signature required" for delivery. Not all dealer do this though so that means that the gun would just be sitting at your front door. This is a big no no and you will experience some serious fun with the ATF if a gun is stolen.

Just some food for thought...

Thanks for the heads up All,
I actually was going to use an office for the receipt since its more secure and someone is present during business hours. Im not trying to reinvent the wheel or take business away from local storefronts, ill be happy if I just successfully transfer to family and friends. Easy there fellas.. I know you work hard.







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Thanks for the heads up All,
I actually was going to use an office for the receipt since its more secure and someone is present during business hours. Im not trying to reinvent the wheel or take business away from local storefronts, ill be happy if I just successfully transfer to family and friends. Easy there fellas.. I know you work hard.

[C4IGrant]

Thanks for the heads up All,
I actually was going to use an office for the receipt since its more secure and someone is present during business hours. Im not trying to reinvent the wheel or take business away from local storefronts, ill be happy if I just successfully transfer to family and friends. Easy there fellas.. I know you work hard.

Do you own the office building?

The physical FFL address HAS to be where the guns are delivered. Meaning that if you run this business out of your home and the ATF uses that as the actual shipping address, you cannot have guns shipped to another address.


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[sadmin]

I rent it. Its for a side company of mine and another guy. I was going to use it for all aspects of the FFL. Id prefer to keep my home out of it. Will this be ok, or is renting the space going to be an issue?
Thanks for data.

[C4IGrant]

I rent it. Its for a side company of mine and another guy. I was going to use it for all aspects of the FFL. Id prefer to keep my home out of it. Will this be ok, or is renting the space going to be an issue?
Thanks for data.

That is better than you home for certain.


Renting is just fine.



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[SteyrAUG]

I rent it. Its for a side company of mine and another guy. I was going to use it for all aspects of the FFL. Id prefer to keep my home out of it. Will this be ok, or is renting the space going to be an issue?
Thanks for data.

I cannot recall if you will need permission from the owner to run a gun biz, the important thing is that it is zoned commercial. When you fill out the Form 7 with ATF you will need to get your code and zoning for a commercial firearms business from the county as well as occupational permits to be a firearms dealer from the city and/or county (sometimes both, sometimes just one) before your license can be issued.

Also with regard to "transfers to friends and family", that is one of the sorta trick questions on the application. If ATF deems this to be a "hobby FFL" they will DQ you pretty fast, this is the basis for most home based FFLs being denied/revoked.

You will either be running this as a "business for profit" or you won't be in business for long. Having a rented commercial premise is a good step in that direction. You also want to make sure that premise is for the gun business so if it looks like a place that does tax preparation rather than retail firearm sales you might have ATF question you about it.

Bottom line is if you treat this like an actual firearms business ATF will see it as an actual firearms business. If you treat this as a means to get "guns at cost" for yourself and beer money from your buddies, that is how ATF will see it.

[sadmin]

I cannot recall if you will need permission from the owner to run a gun biz, the important thing is that it is zoned commercial. When you fill out the Form 7 with ATF you will need to get your code and zoning for a commercial firearms business from the county as well as occupational permits to be a firearms dealer from the city and/or county (sometimes both, sometimes just one) before your license can be issued.

Also with regard to "transfers to friends and family", that is one of the sorta trick questions on the application. If ATF deems this to be a "hobby FFL" they will DQ you pretty fast, this is the basis for most home based FFLs being denied/revoked.

You will either be running this as a "business for profit" or you won't be in business for long. Having a rented commercial premise is a good step in that direction. You also want to make sure that premise is for the gun business so if it looks like a place that does tax preparation rather than retail firearm sales you might have ATF question you about it.

Bottom line is if you treat this like an actual firearms business ATF will see it as an actual firearms business. If you treat this as a means to get "guns at cost" for yourself and beer money from your buddies, that is how ATF will see it.

I see. Thanks a lot for the information.